UK far right trouble July/August 24

[paulchapo]

so no info then - another theorist shame on you for dodging the question

Just fuck off. If you had half an ounce of the intelligence you think you have you'd have looked at my posts and seen all the reasons I thought it was a terrorist attack clearly stated. Just my opinion of course. As more evidence has now been released by the police it appears my initial hunch was correct.
Does that answer your question? Not that I'm obliged to answer it nor is there any shame in not feeding an obvious troll.
For one final time. I don't need any evidence. I'm not building a case for the prosecution I just read and listened to reports about the attack and thought it was terror related. That's my final word on the subject and if you continue to quote me and post absolute drivel to provoke a response you're on the block list.

 

[bert38]

That doesn't really address the point that elements of the state and BBC claimed it was false/misinformation to infer that the attacker was a Jihadi and it turns out he's being charged for reading a Jihadi manual.

A shocking cover-up and the fact that people are being locked up for speaking the truth is an absolute lowpoint for our country. We are an international laughing stock and being governed by tyrants.

Who was locked up for telling the truth? That sounds awful…

 

[KDB Fan]

so much conspiracy shite to unpack

1/ of course they didn't. But if they find the manual as a pdf they have to explore he downloaded it to a device he could access and read it - god are you that thick? - evidence is assembled in a full investigation.

2/ charging information - since when is that public property? What were the attackers motivations? There are 2 investigations going on but if you have any information please don't bother me send it to the Merseyside Police or the Terrorist authorities. What APPEARS to be true will not stand up in law.

3/ when opinion/ speculation leads to setting fire to hotels wrecking streets attacking the Police then that is more than justified. What you are doing is trying to justify violence in July with Info in October - go ahead but its dim witted and dangerous. If you think clearly about it you can see it - I can and I can explain it to you time after time - if you want to continue to expose yourself on BM like that then so be it .......

Sorry mate, you're not really making much sense and you can barely string a sentence together so I think you should be a bit more hesitant calling other people thick. Quite happy to debate with most people but not wasting my time with you.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Who was locked up for telling the truth? That sounds awful…

I’m also still waiting for an answer to this.

 

[KDB Fan]

As I mentioned on another thread earlier today, it does not seem beyond the realms of possibility for someone to attempt to make use of the methods described in terrorist manuals without them necessarily subscribing to that particular terrorist ideology.

For example, I might mine something like, say, The Anarchist Cookbook or The Management of Savagery for hints and tips on how to perpetrate acts of terror without myself being either an anarchist or a Salafi-Jihadist.

With this offender, we simply don’t know what went on.

He may very well be a self-radicalised Lone Wolf jihadist. But that isn’t 100% certain. He may also possibly be schizophrenic, or in thrall to some other form of psychological or ideological derangement.

In which case, it is premature to assume that the discovery of an al-Qaeda manual vindicates the initial assumptions that were made on social media about the faith of the perpetrator of the Southport atrocity.

Plus, none of this in any way justifies what subsequently took place, namely, the besieging of a mosque and a hotel housing asylum seekers (if I remember rightly) putting those inside in fear for their lives.

Checked on X a few minutes ago and the odious Laurence Fox was once again caricaturing Islam as a ‘death cult’.

Away from this board I maintain a blog for students of A level Religious Studies.

Am going to get a shot of Fox’s tweet and, if I can find the time, will dedicate a future blog entry to the comprehensive evisceration of that ludicrous claim.

You're right, maybe the Jihadi bomb manual doesn't mean he's a Jihadi. He could also go to a Mosque and not be a Muslim. The guy who tried to suicide bomb the Liverpool maternity hospital was apparently a Christian if you believe what the state tells you.

The point is, the theory that he's an Islamic extremist is entirely and extremely plausible and nobody should be criminalised, arrested, or aggressively prosecuted for it. Nor should the BBC and other outlets be lying and calling this false if they don't know whether it's true or not. They are peddling misinformation.

 

[KDB Fan]

Who was locked up for telling the truth? That sounds awful…

Not sure how you've missed this because I thought you were a copper? The police have been locking people up left, right and centre for claiming the attack was done by Ali Al Shakati. It's not because they've got his name wrong is it and defamed anyone, it's because of the implication he's an Islamic extremist, which has a strong possibility of being true.

Also, many other examples of ridiculous prosecutions/persecutions below in an excerpt of an article I linked below:

The Prime Minister’s recent clamp down on free speech is deeply worrying. Since the beginning of August, we’ve witnessed the greatest assault on free speech in this country since Oliver Cromwell passed a law banning all theatrical performances in 1642.

In the wake of the civil unrest that spread across the UK following the murder of three children in Southport, Sir Keir Starmer has blamed ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation’ on social media for whipping up violence and urged the authorities to prosecute people for saying supposedly inflammatory things online.

As a result, a man who has been sent to jail for 18 months for sharing something “offensive” that someone else said on Facebook, another man was sent down for three years for posting “anti-Establishment rhetoric” and a third man was jailed for 18 months for chanting “Who the f*** is Allah?”.

Stephen Parkinson, the Director of Public Prosecutions, has even warned that people sharing footage of the riots online may be prosecuted. “People might think they’re not doing anything harmful, they are, and the consequences will be visited upon them,” he said.

This threatening language is more reminiscent of a tin-pot dictatorship than the birthplace of parliamentary democracy and it has unleashed a wave of terror across the country, with hundreds of thousands of people now worried that they may be sent to prison for posting something un-PC online.

This has to stop.

We need to remind the Prime Minister, a former human rights lawyer, that free speech is the most important human right of all because without it we wouldn’t be able to defend any of the others.

Starmer’s attitude to free speech is authoritarian and dangerous

After barely two months as Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer has already demonstrated his hostility to freedom of speech (The

freespeechunion.org

Hope this is why you joined the force mate

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Charged with producing the deadly poison ricin. Well I never.

 

[lloydie]

You're right, maybe the Jihadi bomb manual doesn't mean he's a Jihadi. He could also go to a Mosque and not be a Muslim. The guy who tried to suicide bomb the Liverpool maternity hospital was apparently a Christian if you believe what the state tells you.

The point is, the theory that he's an Islamic extremist is entirely and extremely plausible and nobody should be criminalised, arrested, or aggressively prosecuted for it. Nor should the BBC and other outlets be lying and calling this false if they don't know whether it's true or not. They are peddling misinformation.

Its not a Jihadi bomb manual you dolt.

 

[KDB Fan]

Its not a Jihadi bomb manual you dolt.

Sorry an Al Qaeda training manual and a biological toxin. We might as well let him out now then.