west didsblue
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Sorry to disappoint you but I’ve not read the BBC report. I’ve read a few others though that are fairly consistent.
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Okay but consistency doesn't mean truth. The public were consistently told that this wasn't a terror attack yet he was found with ricin and, potentially, a Jihadi bomb manual. I don't know how you or others can be so emphatic that it wasn't an Al Qaeda bomb manual when it's already been reported as such and you now know the media will happily lie to you if it's politically convenient to do so.
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You're probably right but - having read a raft of books on Salafi-jihadist and far-right terrorism over the last few years - these days I'm inclined to proceed with caution, as quite a bit of what I have encountered has been counterintuitive. If that places me in cloud cuckoo land, then so be it.
For example, most people probably imagine the typical ISIS recruit to be a devout Muslim who dresses accordingly.
But that stereotype is false.
Here's an extract from Olivier Roy's Jihad and Death: The Appeal of Islamic State.
Roy's comments are mainly based on a French database with details on approximately 100 French jihadists. Make of it what you will.
'Most radicals are deeply immersed in today's 'youth culture'...they go to nightclubs, pick up girls, smoke and drink...[there are] a surprising number of arrests for drink driving, another sign of their low level of religious observance...Their dress habits are those of today's youth: brands, baseball caps, hoods, in other words streetwear...a beard is no longer a sign of devoutness...They never wear the usual Salafi garb - and it not really to go unnoticed... as they never make a secret of their (re)conversion to Islam.
Their musical tastes are those of the times: they like rap music and go to clubs...[They] are also gaming enthusiasts and are fond of violent American movies such as Brian de Palma's Scarface....kung-fu training rooms and selfies with guns [tend to feature]....There is even a group of jihadi bikers and manga fans in Belgium, the 'Kamikaze Bikers'...some of its members were prosecuted for terrorism....The language spoken by radicals is always that of the country of residence - French, in this case. They often use youth slang and switch to a Salafized version of banlieu talk when they reconvert...Prison time puts them in contact with their radicalized peers....'
'They do not live in a particularly religious environment. Their relationship to the local mosque was ambivalent: either they attended episodically, or they were expelled for having shown disrespect by the local Imam. None of them belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood...none of them had taken part in proselytizing activities, none of them were members of a Palestinian solidarity group....There is no religious movement that radicalized them 'religiously' before they went over to terrorism. If indeed there was religious radicalization, it did not occur in the framework of Salafi mosques, but individually or within the group.'
Releasing information about the attacker is different if the information is factual. If I say the alleged murderer was black and he was black then that's just a fact although it's questionable whether that information is relevant. Either way journalists report facts, they don't go further to report conjecture, and certainly not report conjecture as truth.
However, what happens if I say the guy was black and then said I'm not surprised because most murders are done by blacks despite this being false? If that prejudice and misinformation was put to a jury then a jury would be inclined to find somebody guilty before the case facts and this is contempt. This is the kind of crap peddled by Robinson and his mob and they want to call it free speech.
Many murders of children happen in the UK but most of them are not done by migrants or Muslims, so why is religion or migration status so relevant to these people if at all?
If the guy who murdered those people in Southport had turned out to be a white 60 year old bloke then would those people still demand the facts? Of course they wouldn't and that tells you all you need to know. None of this is founded in free-speech, journalism or fact-finding, it's founded in the prejudices of a racist lynch mob.
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The public were told at the time there were no known terror links which was true. The subsequent investigation has found information that would suggest to me that he has self radicalised online. The fact they haven’t found any actual AQ documents would back this up. He’s downloaded stuff about AQ. Even now there’s no suggestion that he was acting in conjunction with others but I’m sure it will all come out in due course.
You don't know that though! You're just parroting the official line which is changing all the time. Even now they're saying they're not treating it as a terrorist incident despite him being charged for terror offences. You need to start critically analysing what they're telling you because the BBC and Government will tell you one thing then 20 hours later, it's the opposite. We will hopefully find out more in the trial but there's no guarantee of that anymore in this country and if it's politically inconvenient, they will try and bury it around the budget like they did this news.
The MSN story has been taking down so here's another link:
Government 'knew weeks ago' Southport suspect may face terror charges
Downing Street has denied accusations of a 'cover up' over details of the allegations, denying that facts had been held back.
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Either you're on the wind up or have started down a rabbithole of paranoia that ironically could lead to you becoming radicalised. As I wish you no ill I really hope it's the former.
You must have missed the last few months of prosecutions then.
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Radicalised by social media I'm guessing.
A kid with issues and no direction who's mind has been poisoned by SM I'm guessing.
The usual suspects will portray them as bin laden mk 2 to gain political traction for their hate.
A kid with issues and no direction who's mind has been poisoned by SM I'm guessing.
The usual suspects will portray them as bin laden mk 2 to gain political traction for their hate.
Does it really matter? I don't really understand the point you're trying to prove. This is one case, there are probably thousands of Jihadis, most of them aren't migrants, some are, many of them are Muslims but who knows?
It isn't a new problem although it's only now suddenly a problem because the guy has been charged with terrorism. The original argument was that he was a migrant which turned out to be bollocks.
Terrorism is a problem that the Police and security services deal with successfully given there have been virtually zero terrorist incidents on UK soil over the years. If you believed the nutters on the right then you'd think that this was all a daily occurrence but guess what it isn't.
In a roundabout way there are many on the far-right who protested about the Southport murders who have later turned out to be registered nonces. Should we therefore use our new found love for free speech to riot, protest and call most Tommy Robinson supporters paedophiles? No, let's move on.