UK far right trouble

[KDB Fan]

Your problem in trying to convince people of your position is that people can read, and so far nothing you have linked or posted suggests that people have been imprisoned for chanting. And that’s because, on its own, it’s not an offence that is punished by imprisonment.

You might be able to read but your comprehension isn't too clever because I've told you about 5 times now that chanting can be and is punished in this country under the crime of violent disorder, which is an imprisonable offence. Here's another link for you to read and hopefully comprehend (took me 5 seconds to find on Google):

Tamworth disorder: Woman jailed after chanting racial slurs

Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, is sentenced for her role in the unrest at the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.com

Note the judge saying she accepts the defendant was not involved in violence. Is that clear enough for you now?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You might be able to read but your comprehension isn't too clever because I've told you about 5 times now that chanting can be and is punished in this country under the crime of violent disorder, which is an imprisonable offence. Here's another link for you to read and hopefully comprehend (took me 5 seconds to find on Google):

Tamworth disorder: Woman jailed after chanting racial slurs

Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, is sentenced for her role in the unrest at the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.com

Note the judge saying she accepts the defendant was not involved in violence. Is that clear enough for you now?

Fine, upstanding member of the community.

She has 14 previous convictions involving 30 offences, the last of which was for battery in 2009, the court heard.

 

[west didsblue]

You might be able to read but your comprehension isn't too clever because I've told you about 5 times now that chanting can be and is punished in this country under the crime of violent disorder, which is an imprisonable offence. Here's another link for you to read and hopefully comprehend (took me 5 seconds to find on Google):

Tamworth disorder: Woman jailed after chanting racial slurs

Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, is sentenced for her role in the unrest at the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.com

Note the judge saying she accepts the defendant was not involved in violence. Is that clear enough for you now?

Well done. You’ve found one.
She did however plead guilty to violent disorder which is the offence for which she is being imprisoned, not simply for chanting.

You are simply wrong in saying that chanting alone is treated as violent disorder. Violent disorder is when a group of three or more commit violent acts. If they are together it is treated as a joint enterprise and it doesn’t matter who actually throws the bricks or punches. If you’re in the middle of it encouraging it then you’re part of it. If she was standing at the side just chanting she wouldn’t have been imprisoned.

 

[KDB Fan]

Well done. You’ve found one.
She did however plead guilty to violent disorder which is the offence for which she is being imprisoned, not simply for chanting.

You are simply wrong in saying that chanting alone is treated as violent disorder. Violent disorder is when a group of three or more commit violent acts. If they are together it is treated as a joint enterprise and it doesn’t matter who actually throws the bricks or punches. If you’re in the middle of it encouraging it then you’re part of it. If she was standing at the side just chanting she wouldn’t have been imprisoned.

Now that you've grasped the concept, I think you should read back all the other cases I've posted with a new understanding of what violent disorder means and understand that, in many cases, it was the chanting that got them imprisoned including for saying some fairly innocuous things (although not always).

Alongside that, there's been a crackdown on speech generally whether that's at a protest that turns violent or whether there's no disorder at all e.g. online. Those cases have been prominent all over the news and you can argue lots of these people should be locked up for what they're saying (like @ZenHalfTimeCrock has) but let's not have our heads in the sand by saying there's not been a huge crackdown on freedom of speech in this country.

 

[west didsblue]

Now that you've grasped the concept, I think you should read back all the other cases I've posted with a new understanding of what violent disorder means and understand that, in many cases, it was the chanting that got them imprisoned including for saying some fairly innocuous things (although not always).

Alongside that, there's been a crackdown on speech generally whether that's at a protest that turns violent or whether there's no disorder at all e.g. online. Those cases have been prominent all over the news and you can argue lots of these people should be locked up for what they're saying (like @ZenHalfTimeCrock has) but let's not have our heads in the sand by saying there's not been a huge crackdown on freedom of speech in this country.

I read them the first time round and literally none of them suggested they got locked up simply for chanting. The Tamworth one was the first one where it was acknowledged that she personally wasn’t violent but it’s clear she was part of a group that was and she was actively supporting and encouraging it. If you think that’s just her exercising her right to free speech you’re deluded.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Now that you've grasped the concept, I think you should read back all the other cases I've posted with a new understanding of what violent disorder means and understand that, in many cases, it was the chanting that got them imprisoned including for saying some fairly innocuous things (although not always).

Alongside that, there's been a crackdown on speech generally whether that's at a protest that turns violent or whether there's no disorder at all e.g. online. Those cases have been prominent all over the news and you can argue lots of these people should be locked up for what they're saying (like @ZenHalfTimeCrock has) but let's not have our heads in the sand by saying there's not been a huge crackdown on freedom of speech in this country.

There is a sage old expression about when youre in a hole, stop digging. Respectfully, you are making a bit of a fool of yourself with this now. You are simply wrong

 

[Paladin]

You might be able to read but your comprehension isn't too clever because I've told you about 5 times now that chanting can be and is punished in this country under the crime of violent disorder, which is an imprisonable offence. Here's another link for you to read and hopefully comprehend (took me 5 seconds to find on Google):

Tamworth disorder: Woman jailed after chanting racial slurs

Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, is sentenced for her role in the unrest at the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.com

Note the judge saying she accepts the defendant was not involved in violence. Is that clear enough for you now?

"Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, from Rugeley, Staffordshire, admitted violent disorder."

 

[youngbob]

You might be able to read but your comprehension isn't too clever because I've told you about 5 times now that chanting can be and is punished in this country under the crime of violent disorder, which is an imprisonable offence. Here's another link for you to read and hopefully comprehend (took me 5 seconds to find on Google):

Tamworth disorder: Woman jailed after chanting racial slurs

Aimee Hodgkinson-Hedgecox, 37, is sentenced for her role in the unrest at the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.com

Note the judge saying she accepts the defendant was not involved in violence. Is that clear enough for you now?

I think "racial slurs" is the crucial part of the headline there, buddy.

My partner's family are Muslims based in London. If they're out shopping and some bloke randomly chants at them that the sky is purple and the Earth is flat, they'd think he was a bit of a weirdo.

If he calls them "P*ki cunts" and tells them to get out of England... that's a hate crime.

 

[KDB Fan]

There is a sage old expression about when youre in a hole, stop digging. Respectfully, you are making a bit of a fool of yourself with this now. You are simply wrong

"you are simply wrong"

Thanks for that persuasive argument mate, I take it you didn't make the debating society?

Always happy to debate but you need to provide evidence first why the CPS/BBC/judges are all wrong.

 

[KDB Fan]

I think "racial slurs" is the crucial part of the headline there, buddy.

My partner's family are Muslims based in London. If they're out shopping and some bloke randomly chants at them that the sky is purple and the Earth is flat, they'd think he was a bit of a weirdo.

If he calls them "P*ki cunts" and tells them to get out of England... that's a hate crime.

Tbh it wasn't an opinion about whether she should be convicted for chanting or not (I'd have to hear what was chanted), it was just about proving the principle that chanting can get you locked up.