Followed your advice and googled it. Everyone I’ve found so far has been locked up either for chucking bricks or attacking police.Just googled that case and can't see any report of any violence used against the police by Spring? Where have you read that he was violent and what kind of behaviour was threatening? Was it his speech that was threatening?
I'd have to see the behaviour towards the police to make a judgement on that particular case but it seems like the threatening behaviour comes from him chanting 'who the fuck is allah?'. Or at least that's the way it's being reported.
Also, the stuff about people being locked up for chanting or speech crimes has been all over the news btw (i'm astonished that people have missed it)...I keep getting asked for individual cases but there's dozens and dozens of cases where people have been arrested for speech crimes. I'd implore people to google and there'll be lots of results on the first page that come up including people arrested and prosecuted for falsely reporting the attacker was called Ali and an asylum seeker.
Please, post one.Just googled that case and can't see any report of any violence used against the police by Spring? Where have you read that he was violent and what kind of behaviour was threatening? Was it his speech that was threatening?
I'd have to see the behaviour towards the police to make a judgement on that particular case but it seems like the threatening behaviour comes from him chanting 'who the fuck is allah?'. Or at least that's the way it's being reported.
Also, the stuff about people being locked up for chanting or speech crimes has been all over the news btw (i'm astonished that people have missed it)...I keep getting asked for individual cases but there's dozens and dozens of cases where people have been arrested for speech crimes. I'd implore people to google and there'll be lots of results on the first page that come up including people arrested and prosecuted for falsely reporting the attacker was called Ali and an asylum seeker.
Followed your advice and googled it. Everyone I’ve found so far has been locked up either for chucking bricks or attacking police.
Not a single one for just chanting.
Just provide one link or I’m calling bullshit.
“The trial continues”.Don't know if you and others are being deliberately obtuse because you think it's easier to pretend it's not happening than debate it but I've posted multiple links already and you've literally just quoted the name of someone who got locked up for chanting.
A quick 1 second Google shows, that among the 1000+ people arrested (ranging from 81 to 11 in age), dozens and dozens have been locked up for speech offences (maybe even hundreds) including public order offences, violent disorder (doesn't have to involve violence), malicious communications, stirring up racial hatred, false communications, and many others.
Previously posted:
The Prime Minister’s recent clamp down on free speech is deeply worrying. Since the beginning of August, we’ve witnessed the greatest assault on free speech in this country since Oliver Cromwell passed a law banning all theatrical performances in 1642.
In the wake of the civil unrest that spread across the UK following the murder of three children in Southport, Sir Keir Starmer has blamed ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation’ on social media for whipping up violence and urged the authorities to prosecute people for saying supposedly inflammatory things online.
As a result, a man who has been sent to jail for 18 months for sharing something “offensive” that someone else said on Facebook, another man was sent down for three years for posting “anti-Establishment rhetoric” and a third man was jailed for 18 months for chanting “Who the f*** is Allah?”.
Stephen Parkinson, the Director of Public Prosecutions, has even warned that people sharing footage of the riots online may be prosecuted. “People might think they’re not doing anything harmful, they are, and the consequences will be visited upon them,” he said.
This threatening language is more reminiscent of a tin-pot dictatorship than the birthplace of parliamentary democracy and it has unleashed a wave of terror across the country, with hundreds of thousands of people now worried that they may be sent to prison for posting something un-PC online.
This has to stop.
We need to remind the Prime Minister, a former human rights lawyer, that free speech is the most important human right of all because without it we wouldn’t be able to defend any of the others.
Previously posted:
Another message, which attracted 228,000 views, posted by Heath on the day of the Southport stabbings read: “Now the truth. Name Ali Al Shakati, arrived on a dinghy last year, saying he is 17 so not to be named, multiple witnesses saying he was shouting ALLAHU AKBAR.”
In his evidence, Heath said of the post: “Ali Al Shakati is a nobody. Ali Al Shakati is a name that was circulated from a false news channel, which a lot of people got took in by, obviously me included.
“It was wildfire on X.”
Mr Surtees-Jones asked Heath: “Were you intending to stir up racial hatred on that post?”
Heath answered: “Not at all. I was just commenting on what I had heard.” The defendant added: “My belief and my opinion is that we live in a very dangerous country now.
“Taking our country back means taking the borders back. That’s me having an opinion on a news matter at the time.”
A further post claiming the Southport attacker had been prevented from being returned to Rwanda was also raised during Heath’s defence case. “I didn’t know if that was correct information at the time, but it was all over Twitter at the time that that was correct,” he said. “I believed it to be true.
Your first link is an opinion piece. Means absolutely nothing.Don't know if you and others are being deliberately obtuse because you think it's easier to pretend it's not happening than debate it but I've posted multiple links already and you've literally just quoted the name of someone who got locked up for chanting.
A quick 1 second Google shows, that among the 1000+ people arrested (ranging from 81 to 11 in age), dozens and dozens have been locked up for speech offences (maybe even hundreds) including public order offences, violent disorder (doesn't have to involve violence), malicious communications, stirring up racial hatred, false communications, and many others.
Previously posted:
The Prime Minister’s recent clamp down on free speech is deeply worrying. Since the beginning of August, we’ve witnessed the greatest assault on free speech in this country since Oliver Cromwell passed a law banning all theatrical performances in 1642.
In the wake of the civil unrest that spread across the UK following the murder of three children in Southport, Sir Keir Starmer has blamed ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation’ on social media for whipping up violence and urged the authorities to prosecute people for saying supposedly inflammatory things online.
As a result, a man who has been sent to jail for 18 months for sharing something “offensive” that someone else said on Facebook, another man was sent down for three years for posting “anti-Establishment rhetoric” and a third man was jailed for 18 months for chanting “Who the f*** is Allah?”.
Stephen Parkinson, the Director of Public Prosecutions, has even warned that people sharing footage of the riots online may be prosecuted. “People might think they’re not doing anything harmful, they are, and the consequences will be visited upon them,” he said.
This threatening language is more reminiscent of a tin-pot dictatorship than the birthplace of parliamentary democracy and it has unleashed a wave of terror across the country, with hundreds of thousands of people now worried that they may be sent to prison for posting something un-PC online.
This has to stop.
We need to remind the Prime Minister, a former human rights lawyer, that free speech is the most important human right of all because without it we wouldn’t be able to defend any of the others.
Previously posted:
Another message, which attracted 228,000 views, posted by Heath on the day of the Southport stabbings read: “Now the truth. Name Ali Al Shakati, arrived on a dinghy last year, saying he is 17 so not to be named, multiple witnesses saying he was shouting ALLAHU AKBAR.”
In his evidence, Heath said of the post: “Ali Al Shakati is a nobody. Ali Al Shakati is a name that was circulated from a false news channel, which a lot of people got took in by, obviously me included.
“It was wildfire on X.”
Mr Surtees-Jones asked Heath: “Were you intending to stir up racial hatred on that post?”
Heath answered: “Not at all. I was just commenting on what I had heard.” The defendant added: “My belief and my opinion is that we live in a very dangerous country now.
“Taking our country back means taking the borders back. That’s me having an opinion on a news matter at the time.”
A further post claiming the Southport attacker had been prevented from being returned to Rwanda was also raised during Heath’s defence case. “I didn’t know if that was correct information at the time, but it was all over Twitter at the time that that was correct,” he said. “I believed it to be true.
Please, post one.
Ps.
Spring pleaded guilty to violent disorder after footage showed him at the forefront of the crowd while threatening and chanting at officers.
Sutton Man, 61, Jailed
Be honest, you’re just ignoring everything other than you want to see.
David Spring, 61, of Sutton, David Probert, 50, of Mill End, Hertfordshire, and David Notley, 67, of Redbridge, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and were sentenced to 18 months’, 14 months’ and 20 months’ imprisonment respectively at Inner London Crown Court.
Spring, Probert, Notley were part of a 700-strong group who wreaked havoc in Whitehall on July 31. Members of the group ignored a police cordon and moved on to assault and spit at officers who were in attendance.
Many in attendance were aggressive, with some fighting officers outside the Department for Health while others threw flares at Downing Street and attempted to destroy property in the area.
Further, Notley pleaded guilty to a religiously aggravated public order offence for Islamophobic chanting. He was fined £100, with a sentence uplift from £50 having committed a hate crime.
Charles Smith, 22, was involved in the Whitehall disorder and joined in with racist chanting. He pleaded guilty to affray and racially aggravated harassment and was sentenced to 23 weeks’ imprisonment, with an £800 fine.
Jake Grainger-Quinn, 29, and Kelly Wildego, 41, were also part of the crowd rushing at and pushing against a police cordon on Whitehall. They both pleaded guilty to a public order offence at Inner London Crown Court.
Grainger-Quinn was sentenced to seven weeks’ imprisonment, and Wildego was sentenced to 4 months’ imprisonment, suspended for six months, having assaulted a police officer as well.
Your first link is an opinion piece. Means absolutely nothing.
Your second link refers to an ongoing trial which has since completed with the defendant being found not guilty.
Try harder.
Just post one example. It’s all that’s being asked.You've just contradicted your point. You said he was violent and then posted that he was locked up for chanting and being threatening. So he didn't actually use force against the police then? I think the confusion comes from him being convicted for violent disorder, that doesn't mean he was violent.
The broader point though is lots of people are getting locked up for chanting, speech crimes and (as you denied) chanting 'who the fuck is allah?'.
You can see the link here in the press release of Sutton of multiple people who were convicted for it under different guises.
I'm astonished that people haven't heard anything on the media or can't find a single link on Google that shows any examples. If I'm honest, I think it's partly because it's easier to deny what's going on than defend it but I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and say there's been a bit of a cover-up too, like the CPS publishing the Southport suspect had downloaded terrorist material on budget day.
Just post one example. It’s all that’s being asked.