UKIP=BNP=EDL=ALL ONE IN THE SAME

[scotty123]

Cant agree Skash, if Scotland votes for independence Labour will be fucked, they will be very lucky to ever rule in England again, the Tories know this and are going all out now to discredit UKIP before they can gain a foothold

This is total nonsense and comes from people who know nothing about elections. Labour won the most seats in England in 2005, 2001, and 1997.

Also, could you explain how Scotland voting for independence is related to UKIP. Ta.

Your right i know nowt about elections i gave up on politics years ago hate the lot of them but here goes.
Am i right in saying that if Scotland votes for inependence Labour would lose all their MPs sat in Westminster and last time i looked at a political map of the UK Scotland was coloured red, thats an awful lot of Mps to make up in seats in England, i might be wrong but i am willing to learn, educate me

 

[Skashion]

Cant agree Skash, if Scotland votes for independence Labour will be fucked, they will be very lucky to ever rule in England again, the Tories know this and are going all out now to discredit UKIP before they can gain a foothold

This is total nonsense and comes from people who know nothing about elections. Labour won the most seats in England in 2005, 2001, and 1997.

Also, could you explain how Scotland voting for independence is related to UKIP. Ta.

Your right i know nowt about elections i gave up on politics years ago hate the lot of them but here goes.
Am i right in saying that if Scotland votes for inependence Labour would lose all their MPs sat in Westminster and last time i looked at a political map of the UK Scotland was coloured red, thats an awful lot of Mps to make up in seats in England, i might be wrong but i am willing to learn, educate me

Labour would lose out if Scotland voted for independence because obviously there are a lot more Labour MPs than tory MPs in Scotland, but this doesn't mean they'd never win in England again. They won the most seats in England the last time a single party had a majority in Parliament.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
Respect - 1 seat
IKHH - 1 seat

So they would have had a 43 seat majority if only English seats counted, with no Wales either (who also elect more Labour MPs than tories). It is a nonsense to say Labour can't win without Scotland. It is still a nonsense without Wales. Also, I cannot see the Scots voting for independence.

 

[scotty123]

This is total nonsense and comes from people who know nothing about elections. Labour won the most seats in England in 2005, 2001, and 1997.

Also, could you explain how Scotland voting for independence is related to UKIP. Ta.

Your right i know nowt about elections i gave up on politics years ago hate the lot of them but here goes.
Am i right in saying that if Scotland votes for inependence Labour would lose all their MPs sat in Westminster and last time i looked at a political map of the UK Scotland was coloured red, thats an awful lot of Mps to make up in seats in England, i might be wrong but i am willing to learn, educate me

Labour would lose out if Scotland voted for independence because obviously there are a lot more Labour MPs than tory MPs in Scotland, but this doesn't mean they'd never win in England again. They won the most seats in England the last time a single party had a majority in Parliament.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
Respect - 1 seat
IKHH - 1 seat

So they would have had a 43 seat majority if only English seats counted, with no Wales either (who also elect more Labour MPs than tories). It is a nonsense to say Labour can't win without Scotland. It is still a nonsense without Wales. Also, I cannot see the Scots voting for independence.

Thanks Skash i am in the picture now, but i do think they will vote for independence and will be in the mire within 5 years, Salmond is a buffoon

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Ukip will make Britain GREAT again,and all the Looney lefties know it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a new empire that will last a thousand years.

Hope so.

 

[Skashion]

Thanks Skash i am in the picture now, but i do think they will vote for independence and will be in the mire within 5 years, Salmond is a buffoon

Opinion polls are currently indicating a majority for no, with the no vote being 20-25 points higher (which is huge), although there's a sizeable 'don't know' as yet so I'd say there's still a chance but not a big one. I think though, looking around Europe at the trouble a number of small countries are in, the Scots will blink and err on the side of caution. I think most people in life are cautious and afraid of radical change. Breaking up the union is not a decision to be taken lightly, for anyone.

 

[Chris in London]

Your right i know nowt about elections i gave up on politics years ago hate the lot of them but here goes.
Am i right in saying that if Scotland votes for inependence Labour would lose all their MPs sat in Westminster and last time i looked at a political map of the UK Scotland was coloured red, thats an awful lot of Mps to make up in seats in England, i might be wrong but i am willing to learn, educate me

Labour would lose out if Scotland voted for independence because obviously there are a lot more Labour MPs than tory MPs in Scotland, but this doesn't mean they'd never win in England again. They won the most seats in England the last time a single party had a majority in Parliament.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
Respect - 1 seat
IKHH - 1 seat

So they would have had a 43 seat majority if only English seats counted, with no Wales either (who also elect more Labour MPs than tories). It is a nonsense to say Labour can't win without Scotland. It is still a nonsense without Wales. Also, I cannot see the Scots voting for independence.

Thanks Skash i am in the picture now, but i do think they will vote for independence and will be in the mire within 5 years, Salmond is a buffoon

I will assume skash is right about the numbers of English constituencies which returned labour MPs.

But even he was wrong, it seems to me likely that there would inevitably be some realignment in British (excluding Scotland) politics. When labour lost 4 elections in a row it led to some fairly significant policy shifts, with the net result that the party moved considerably towards the centre. When the Conservatives lost three elections in a row they did much the same thing. If the consequence of Scottish independence was an in-built Conservative majority, the other political parties would undoubtedly react to that.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

This is completely wrong, unsurprisingly. The accusation of racism is used by the left largely as an attempt to win an argument they can not win using reasoned logic.

When you say something's wrong, you have to have to use that evidence thing I've told you about before. It is the tories running scared from UKIP, hence this Daily Mail attack on UKIP which is the reason for this thread. Are the Daily Mail left-wing now?

Can you also explain to me why, if UKIP aren't taking a hell of a lot more votes off the tories than they are from Labour, why in every by-election except for Bradford West (won by a man I'm sure you're a big fan of, George Galloway), UKIP and Labour have gained ground simultaneously, with the higher swing to Labour in eight out of those twelve by-elections? In fact, even that doesn't tell the full tale. In one of those four where there was a lesser swing to Labour, the massacred tory vote led to a Labour gain. One of the others was Bradford West. Could you also explain why the fall in the tory vote, roughly mirrors the rise in the UKIP vote?

Honestly, I don't think even you are so blind as to ignore the fact that UKIP are dangerous to the tories, not Labour. So, why do the left care? What do the left have to gain by UKIP getting fewer votes? C'mon, let's hear something from you other than the usual guff. Let's see some real analysis and explanation. Mind you, it's not as if you have a great track record is it? You predicted a Romney victory...

I could, but regardless of what I say your mates will jump in brandishing the racism card and hurling personal insults (as they did on the prison sentences thread), so please forgive me for thinking that it's not worth the time or effort.

You're right though, UKIP are a threat to the Tories and I won't be voting for them if it gives Labour another chance to fuck this country up.

 

[MCFCTrick]

Ukip will make Britain GREAT again,and all the Looney lefties know it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a new empire that will last a thousand years.

Hope so.

x2

 

[Chris in London]

"Is it now a reality we cannot voice our opinions on the rubbish we see and hear today without being labelled racist. I thought we all had human rights, but it seems only for some."


Never a truer word spoken, and the answer is yes because the left has always used branding opponents over reasoned argument.
They claim the working class when its the workers who are seeing their hard fought for wages and condition's undercut by mass immigration, they are the ones most likely to need the council houses that are given away to these new arrivals over people who have been on waiting lists for years.
Yet let them dare object if only on the grounds of natural justice and out comes the charges of "Racist".

In one way its a good thing that the lefties have turned their attention to UKIP, it means they are afraid of them, and thats got to be a good reason to give them your vote.

Presumably your objection is to sweeping generalisations being made about a large group of people who share a political view rather than actually discussing the issue on its merits?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Once again the anti UKIP posters have not gave any reasoned arguments as to why they should not get elected except the obvious 'there a bunch of racists' and voting them will let Labour win.