UKIP- it didnt take long did it

[Rascal]

my dream of a truly Socialist UK is a long way from being realised.

I fully endorse this part of your post.

Yes, despite the rise of UKRAP, this is a reassuring constant.

The thing is all the leave the EU crowd will give the UK its chance of becoming a socialist utopia. The only way to stop it happening for sure is to remain in the EU.

An interesting conundrum.

Vote right get Left, the irony of that almost makes me giggle like a schoolgirl

 

[Chancy Termites]

All prospective UKIP voters are lazy and uneducated?

Generalising and stereotyping gone mad.

Ok explain how there prospective health policy is good for the UK

Go on i dare you

What part don't you like?

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

I fully endorse this part of your post.

Yes, despite the rise of UKRAP, this is a reassuring constant.

The thing is all the leave the EU crowd will give the UK its chance of becoming a socialist utopia. The only way to stop it happening for sure is to remain in the EU.

An interesting conundrum.

Hmmm so would that be national socialism then? Sounds familiar...

 

[Rascal]

Yes, despite the rise of UKRAP, this is a reassuring constant.

The thing is all the leave the EU crowd will give the UK its chance of becoming a socialist utopia. The only way to stop it happening for sure is to remain in the EU.

An interesting conundrum.

Hmmm so would that be national socialism then? Sounds familiar...

I really shouldnt answer to that.

But if you believe National Socialism is the Socialism i believe in then you are even more deluded than i thought.

 

[Skashion]

Do they have a health policy? I'm reading their 'common sense' politics 'current policy' section and it just doesn't exist.

1. Direct the majority of health care spending to elected County Health Boards, making spending decisions directly accountable to the public locally.

2. Dramatically cut the Department of Health and bring in professional procurement skills to reduce the huge amounts of money wasted in procurement and resource allocation.

3. Prioritise UK taxpayers and citizens, ending health tourism by requiring all those without entitlement to pay in advance.

4. Restore traditional nursing, especially the non-university-trained State Enrolled Nurses or equivalent.

5. Engender a Universal Duty of Care to ensure that everyone is responsible for reporting inadequate care and driving up standards.

1. How will this actually lead to improved service provision? Why is there an assumption that local democracy will prove to be better when local democracy is a farce which barely receives any turnout and will only decline further if attempted to be propagated further i.e. the turnout for the police commissioner elections where average turnout across the country was less than 15%.

2. The NHS is the most efficient health provider in the world, fact. So how can it presumed that their way is more efficient?

3. Figures from the Department of Health show treatment given to foreigners costs £11m a year in net spending, so fuck all. It's not a policy that would save money.

4. What's wrong with university-educated nurses? Seriously? Is it because their university education leads to them being overpaid? If only. Nurses get shit pay and yet apparently we should have lesser trained nurses.

5. Just words. Not even a policy.

So, there we have it. A nest of emptiness, along with the rest of it. They don't have any specific policies. They're just about rhetoric.

THIS is what UKIP are about:

Aim to reduce the public sector to the size it was in 1997, cutting many unnecessary quangos and non-jobs over five years. The goal is to exchange two million public sector jobs for one million new skilled jobs in manufacturing and related services and at least one million additional jobs created as a result of lower personal taxes and reduced business taxation and regulation

They are viciously capitalist - although not viciously libertarian capitalist, as they support subsidies for various things they like... They would cut jobs, absolutely. That's one thing you can trust them to do. You can't trust many governments to be competent enough to do something positive, to be ambitious, to embark on great infrastructural endeavours, to invest efficiently in human capital - like the Nordic social democracies have done for decades. However, even UKIP are competent enough to sack people. Anyway, how's this working out for Greece?

Oops, apparently even the IMF are saying, sorry guys, our bad, we fucked up: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jun/05/imf-admit-mistakes-greek-crisis-austerity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... -austerity</a>

Austerity can completely fuck up an economy and send it into a rapidly self-perpetuating downwards spiral. Unfortunately, all our political parties are remaining blasé to the dangers of that, but UKIP are right out in front. Practically cheerleading us to accepting the logic that if you get rid of two million public sector jobs, two million private sector jobs will just spring into existence... Is anyone really buying that? Seriously? Are you watching Greece? Are you watching Spain? We need to get back to economic growth. It is an absolute must. Countries undergoing severe austerity are just getting themselves into a mire.

 

[Rascal]

Do they have a health policy? I'm reading their 'common sense' politics 'current policy' section and it just doesn't exist.

1. Direct the majority of health care spending to elected County Health Boards, making spending decisions directly accountable to the public locally.

2. Dramatically cut the Department of Health and bring in professional procurement skills to reduce the huge amounts of money wasted in procurement and resource allocation.

3. Prioritise UK taxpayers and citizens, ending health tourism by requiring all those without entitlement to pay in advance.

4. Restore traditional nursing, especially the non-university-trained State Enrolled Nurses or equivalent.

5. Engender a Universal Duty of Care to ensure that everyone is responsible for reporting inadequate care and driving up standards.

1. How will this actually lead to improved service provision? Why is there an assumption that local democracy will prove to be better when local democracy is a farce which barely receives any turnout and will only decline further if attempted to be propagated further i.e. the turnout for the police commissioner elections where average turnout across the country was less than 15%.

2. The NHS is the most efficient health provider in the world, fact. So how can it presumed that their way is more efficient?

3. Figures from the Department of Health show treatment given to foreigners costs £11m a year in net spending, so fuck all. It's not a policy that would save money.

4. What's wrong with university-educated nurses? Seriously? Is it because their university education leads to them being overpaid? If only. Nurses get shit pay and yet apparently we should have lesser trained nurses.

5. Just words. Not even a policy.

So, there we have it. A nest of emptiness, along with the rest of it. They don't have any specific policies. They're just about rhetoric.

THIS is what UKIP are about:

Aim to reduce the public sector to the size it was in 1997, cutting many unnecessary quangos and non-jobs over five years. The goal is to exchange two million public sector jobs for one million new skilled jobs in manufacturing and related services and at least one million additional jobs created as a result of lower personal taxes and reduced business taxation and regulation

They are viciously capitalist - although not viciously libertarian capitalist, as they support subsidies for various things they like... They would cut jobs, absolutely. That's one thing you can trust them to do. You can't trust many governments to be competent enough to do something positive, to be ambitious, to embark on great infrastructural endeavours, to invest efficiently in human capital - like the Nordic social democracies have done for decades. However, even UKIP are competent enough to sack people. Anyway, how's this working out for Greece?

Oops, apparently even the IMF are saying, sorry guys, our bad, we fucked up: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jun/05/imf-admit-mistakes-greek-crisis-austerity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... -austerity</a>

Austerity can completely fuck up an economy and send it into a rapidly self-perpetuating downwards spiral. Unfortunately, all our political parties are remaining blasé to the dangers of that, but UKIP are right out in front. Practically cheerleading us to accepting the logic that if you get rid of two million public sector jobs, two million private sector jobs will just spring into existence... Is anyone really buying that? Seriously? Are you watching Greece? Are you watching Spain? We need to get back to economic growth. It is an absolute must. Countries undergoing severe austerity are just getting themselves into a mire.

Skash will you please stop posting so much sense.

The nutjobs dont understand sense.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I fully endorse this part of your post.

Yes, despite the rise of UKRAP, this is a reassuring constant.

The thing is all the leave the EU crowd will give the UK its chance of becoming a socialist utopia. The only way to stop it happening for sure is to remain in the EU.

An interesting conundrum.

Vote right get Left, the irony of that almost makes me giggle like a schoolgirl

Dont you get it yet? they're all the same,,,,,,,fu*kin gravy train riders, parasites, liars cheats and thieves, the whole system needs changing so that we don't get career politicians......instead we get people who want to do the job, who travel on public transport, who use the NHS, who have been to an inner city comprehensive, who don't get a gold plated pension, who don't get a second home paid for on expenses, who don't get preferential treatment and protection by the police, who's kids get sent to fight some nonsense war far away and die


Just people like u an me really..............

 

[Chancy Termites]

Do they have a health policy? I'm reading their 'common sense' politics 'current policy' section and it just doesn't exist.

1. Direct the majority of health care spending to elected County Health Boards, making spending decisions directly accountable to the public locally.

2. Dramatically cut the Department of Health and bring in professional procurement skills to reduce the huge amounts of money wasted in procurement and resource allocation.

3. Prioritise UK taxpayers and citizens, ending health tourism by requiring all those without entitlement to pay in advance.

4. Restore traditional nursing, especially the non-university-trained State Enrolled Nurses or equivalent.

5. Engender a Universal Duty of Care to ensure that everyone is responsible for reporting inadequate care and driving up standards.

1. How will this actually lead to improved service provision? Why is there an assumption that local democracy will prove to be better when local democracy is a farce which barely receives any turnout and will only decline further if attempted to be propagated further i.e. the turnout for the police commissioner elections where average turnout across the country was less than 15%.

2. The NHS is the most efficient health provider in the world, fact. So how can it presumed that their way is more efficient?

3. Figures from the Department of Health show treatment given to foreigners costs £11m a year in net spending, so fuck all. It's not a policy that would save money.

4. What's wrong with university-educated nurses? Seriously? Is it because their university education leads to them being overpaid? If only. Nurses get shit pay and yet apparently we should have lesser trained nurses.

5. Just words. Not even a policy.

So, there we have it. A nest of emptiness, along with the rest of it. They don't have any specific policies. They're just about rhetoric.

THIS is what UKIP are about:

Aim to reduce the public sector to the size it was in 1997, cutting many unnecessary quangos and non-jobs over five years. The goal is to exchange two million public sector jobs for one million new skilled jobs in manufacturing and related services and at least one million additional jobs created as a result of lower personal taxes and reduced business taxation and regulation

They are viciously capitalist - although not viciously libertarian capitalist, as they support subsidies for various things they like... They would cut jobs, absolutely. That's one thing you can trust them to do. You can't trust many governments to be competent enough to do something positive, to be ambitious, to embark on great infrastructural endeavours, to invest efficiently in human capital - like the Nordic social democracies have done for decades. However, even UKIP are competent enough to sack people. Anyway, how's this working out for Greece?

Oops, apparently even the IMF are saying, sorry guys, our bad, we fucked up: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jun/05/imf-admit-mistakes-greek-crisis-austerity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... -austerity</a>

Austerity can completely fuck up an economy and send it into a rapidly self-perpetuating downwards spiral. Unfortunately, all our political parties are remaining blasé to the dangers of that, but UKIP are right out in front. Practically cheerleading us to accepting the logic that if you get rid of two million public sector jobs, two million private sector jobs will just spring into existence... Is anyone really buying that? Seriously? Are you watching Greece? Are you watching Spain? We need to get back to economic growth. It is an absolute must. Countries undergoing severe austerity are just getting themselves into a mire.

Greece is in the shit because of its previous excessive spending, not because of perceived "austerity". You're blaming its problems on the fact that the chickens have come home to roost, rather than the reasons they came home.

They still spend way more than they can afford although, luckily for them, nowhere near as badly as we do.

 

[Tipo]

I attended the UKIP event down here in hove, just wanted to hear what Mr Farage had to say, anyway the loonie left were out in force and they were screaming racist scum at me and my Jewish father in law, and he is 84, only ones with bigoted views were the Labour part funded UAF who basically do not believe in freedom of speech or democracy

 

[Skashion]

Greece is in the shit because of its previous excessive spending, not because of perceived "austerity". You're blaming its problems on the fact that the chickens have come home to roost, rather than the reasons they came home.

They still spend way more than they can afford although, luckily for them, nowhere near as badly as we do.

So the IMF are admitting their mistakes for a bit of a laugh are they? The IMF have admitted they significantly underestimated the fiscal multiplier because they just love to have egg on their face? One of the world's best economists, Joseph Stiglitz, who predicted the Great Recession, and the effects of austerity very accurately, just keeps getting lucky I suppose. Yes, it's only me warning against austerity. Not some of the best economists in the world, and now even the bloody IMF!

Yes, we all ought to be jealous of their -5% quarterly economic growth oughtn't we? Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees. Economic growth is by far the best way to cut a deficit as the vast majority of it isn't structural. Rare is the country that has cut their way out of deficit. You grow out of it, not cut your way out.