UKIP

[ElanJo]

From the April 2010 National Manifesto (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf</a>):

Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to appeal to any international treaty or conven- tion that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statue passed by the UK Parliament

If you value your freedom, that alone should send you running to the hills.

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I'm so glad that the 1998 Human Rights Act gave us our freedom.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

From the April 2010 National Manifesto (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf</a>):

Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to appeal to any international treaty or conven- tion that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statue passed by the UK Parliament

If you value your freedom, that alone should send you running to the hills.

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I'm so glad that the 1998 Human Rights Act gave us our freedom.

It reaffirmed our freedom, which surely, is just as important.

 

[ElanJo]

Maybe we could help understand by a quick thought experiment. Say your neighbour was desperately poor and made £101 per week and you were a billionaire who paid £100,000,000 a week. Do you think that it is fair that both pay £100 per week in taxes, the whole point of which is to suppor the common good?

Damo, Damo, Damo.

You cant argue sense with our right wing nutjobs, they are nutjobs.

Nutjobs on the right forget we are pack animals who work best together and profer the rights of the individual to take advantage of the weak in order to better themselves. The right has always been selfish and self centred. It mistakes freedom from interference in there lives as being free, when if they we were truly free they would be on there own and vulnerable with a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on.

Ah but nutjobs like yourself forget that we are no longer pack animals. We no longer live in face-to-face small tribes where pretty much everyone you meet you will interact with throughout your life and thus reciprocation can take root. We now live in large "faceless" populations where most of the people who you interact with economically you will probably not interact with again.

Nutjobs like yourself would have us live through a communist hell before you could appreciate your own nutjobbery.

Your last sentence is just dumb. How would someone have a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on? This is nonsense. Who gave him the cash and what did they give him the cash for? How did these people get the money to pay him? Who gave them the money and why? And did he make his own wallet? And what out of? Leaves? A rabbit?

 

[Anonymous]

From the April 2010 National Manifesto (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf</a>):

Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to appeal to any international treaty or conven- tion that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statue passed by the UK Parliament

If you value your freedom, that alone should send you running to the hills.

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I'm so glad that the 1998 Human Rights Act gave us our freedom.

Maybe "If you value your freedoms..." would have been more apposite. Apologies. Either way the point stands.

 

[BluePurgatory]

we are an island. we can only physically allow so many people to live here. Theres nothing wrong with putting a limit on it. As quantity grows, quality goes.

All these left wing up their own arses type do my head in. just because a party isn't acting in a pc (left wing invented shite). This countries too fucking soft on immigrants. All the other countries have got it ok, they just fuck em off to us because they know it's full of do gooders who care more about others problems than their own.

Some people must honestly believe we are a self sufficient country which does not import any products. in 1812, the population of this country was 20m. Only 200 hundred years later, it's more than tripled to 62m. Yes, migration has played a strong part of this but in another 200 hundred years time. In 6 or so generations, do you really believe this island can contain and be of any quality of life to the estimated 125m citizens? we cant even sort out poverty in the poorest areas. Immigration IS a problem to the quality of our childrens futures and their childrens' childrens futures and just because you wont be alive doesnt mean it wont happen.

now i aint no BNP xenophobe and love the idea of multicultaralism. There has to be a point in time though when our borders say 'right, enough is enough' we're a sinking ship already being made worse by clueless city workers who gambled and still are gambling our countries reservations in the billions every minute.

I will vote for a party who aren't racist but instead, provide common sense in their manifesto's rather than some ideological bullshit aimed towards the demographic. Too long this countries succumbed to the lies of the wealthiest old boy parties who promise the same as the party before did except 10x's better. the only people allowed into this country should be the ones who will benefit most to the sustainability of the island for the progressive course of time not just for now but for the future.

If you want to call me racist then piss off, i wont be made to feel bad for stating my belief which i believe is backed by common sense, the only reason why people wont like my comments is because ''oooh, you cant prove it'' and that's right, i cant, but i can make a pretty damn well educated guess as to the inevitable dystopia which most people are blinded to and god forbid those with sense speak out in hope of avoiding this situation

Yes we are an island but that is irrelevant - we have the same size sq miles as a similar sized country that is land locked.
I am an immigrant in the USA and came here legally and found a job and am contributing via taxes and health care etc and have been unable to claim benefits upon arrival.
It just needs a party in the UK to welcome immigrants on the same basis who are willing to do the same

You are talkng about the immigrants who come from outside europe. They are not the prob. The main prob are the eastern europeans who are flocking here and working for pea nuts, thus allowing the employer to employ cheap laboour, not to mention the effect they are having on pushing the rent up on the private housing market etc etc. The sooner this country gets out of europe the better!

 

[sinnerman]

From the April 2010 National Manifesto (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf</a>):

Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to appeal to any international treaty or conven- tion that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statue passed by the UK Parliament

If you value your freedom, that alone should send you running to the hills.

Other highlights include:

Aim to reduce the public sector to the size it was in 1997, cutting many unnecessary quangos and non-jobs over five years. The goal is to exchange two million public sector jobs for one million new skilled jobs in manu- facturing and related services and at least one million additional jobs created as a result of lower personal taxes and reduced business taxation and regulation

BUT at least those 2 million will be able to get a job building the new prisons and nuclear power stations:

1) A 10-year enhanced defence equipment programme with an additional £4bn p.a. on top of the currently-budgeted £8bn p.a.
2) A 25-year programme of building nuclear power stations that will provide Britain with 50% of its future electricity demand. This will cost on average of £3.5bn p.a.
3) A comprehensive programme of flood protection and coastal defences to cost £30bn over 10 years. Some 25% of this money would be spent on highly-exportable pump valves and control equipment

Double prison places through better use of existing prisons and a substantial programme of new prison building. UKIP will also end the scandal of early releases and weak sentencing. This will cost approximately £2bn p.a. in contrast to the cost of crime, estimated by the Home Office at £45bn p.a.

So no need to worry there then and all at the bargain price of an extra £12.5bn p.a on top of what we spend already in those areas.

And for all you naughty boys, this is what waits:

· Ensure sentences mean what they say: life must mean life

· Introduce a ‘three strikes and you’re out’ policy to deal with persistent offenders and make our streets safer for the public

· Withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant scheme which allows innocent British citizens to be summarily extradited, even on offences that do not exist in the UK. We will reintroduce the need to prove the case for extradition before British judges, based on prima facie evidence. UKIP strongly opposes plans for a new European Public Prosecutor

· Allow binding national referenda on controversial public law and order issues that are outside party politics. The public must have the final say.

· Introduce ‘Boot Camps’ for young offenders to stop them spiralling into a life of crime

· Abolish the politically correct and under-per- forming Crown Prosecution Service, returning to local police prosecutions

All of which have been prove to be effective crime deterrents and reduced recidivism, as proven in this Norwegian method of dealing with criminals:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... ch-UK.html</a>

We will be really safe though as defence spending is set to increase by 40%, the army to grow by 25%, the TA to double in size, build more warships and increase the Navy back to its 2001 size, reinstate historic regiments (bagsy joining the Hussars!), scrap Trident and replace with American missiles, withdraw from EU operations but stay in NATO and increase the RAF's buying power.

Finally, if you fall ill, don't worry, the NHS will be in safe hands. UKIP believes strongly in the principles of the NHS. They will reduce bureaucracy and introduce County Health Boards (another level of bureaucracy?). Over time, UKIP will replace Hospital, Foundation, NHS Care and Ambulance Service Trusts with equivalent franchises - so like for like but franchises which means commercialisation? Again, they talk about franchising key services in order to bring in private sector efficiency. Generously they will give us vouchers to enable us to opt out of the NHS if we so wish - although the cost of doing this would surely be better served pumping the money into the NHS to improve it so you don't need to opt out? At least Matrons will be making a comeback.

If you've got learning difficulties, have no fear, UKIP will support congregate communities for people like you (just don't mention the "g" word - ghettoisation).

Still, all these efficiencies will ensure we get free eye tests and dental check ups. Sweet!

Tax is going to be cool. National Insurance is getting abolished and a flat 31% tax rate introduced instead, starting at £11.5k - which to be fair is very good. In more good news, employer's NI will be phased out BUT it will be recouped through PAYE, corporation tax and/or sales tax revenue. VAT is going though.

I've given up at this point and can't be arsed reading Education, Welfare, Foreign Policy etc. Everything I've read so far seems to be the output of a Tuesday afternoon brainstorming session following a rather good pub lunch. It all seems to be pipe dreams and fancy with not enough substance as to how it will be paid for and plenty of assumptions such stimuli will inevitably lead to job creation and lead us out of the shit.

As a final point, this is a thread debating UKIP. This is the only manifesto I've read so far so please, no "well what will Cons/Libs/Lab do?" as I don't know.

That's convenient...does that mean that I'm not allowed to mention that most of the above policies are being implemented already by the Tories. Take away tax policy and immigration and you've got the last Tory manifesto. No wonder Cameron's shitting himself.

 

[sinnerman]

From the April 2010 National Manifesto (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf</a>):


If you value your freedom, that alone should send you running to the hills.

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I'm so glad that the 1998 Human Rights Act gave us our freedom.

It reaffirmed our freedom, which surely, is just as important.

To your average Joe on the street all the ECHR means is that we can no longer deport foreign criminals, like it or not withdrawing from it would be a vote winner. Next time you're in the pub do a straw poll.

 

[Anonymous]

That's convenient...does that mean that I'm not allowed to mention that most of the above policies are being implemented already by the Tories. Take away tax policy and immigration and you've got the last Tory manifesto. No wonder Cameron's shitting himself.

Sorry, I meant it as "we probably need an alternative thread comparing all the manifestos rather than using this one."

My post was merely to look at UKIP's.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm so glad that the 1998 Human Rights Act gave us our freedom.

It reaffirmed our freedom, which surely, is just as important.

To your average Joe on the street all the ECHR means is that we can no longer deport foreign criminals, like it or not withdrawing from it would be a vote winner. Next time you're in the pub do a straw poll.

And therein lies the problem as that is absolutely not all that it means.

 

[sinnerman]

It reaffirmed our freedom, which surely, is just as important.

To your average Joe on the street all the ECHR means is that we can no longer deport foreign criminals, like it or not withdrawing from it would be a vote winner. Next time you're in the pub do a straw poll.

And therein lies the problem as that is absolutely not all that it means.

Voters, in general, will vote on their own perceptions though and as far as they are concerned the only noticeable difference in their lives, post 1998, is our inability to deport Aba Qatada. How else has this 'reaffirmation of our freedoms' materially affected us?