Helmet Cole
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Damocles said:Helmet Cole said:Mike D said:The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.
Excellent. After nearly 30 pages, and admittedly a few nudges in this direction from myself (without success) some plumb has finally invoked Godwin :-
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2][non-primary source needed] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form.[citation needed] The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler.[4] The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.[5]
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[6] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[7]
I'm surprised it took this long - take a bow Mike D sir, you are truly the voice of reasoned political debate.
This is not Godwin's Law, he is discussing the similarity of a right wing political party holding what he believes to be racist views to a very famous right wing political party holding what he believes to be racist views. The comparison is apt, and Godwin's Law doesn't apply so why you think you're some mastermind trying to provoke people into it I have no idea.
Sorry Damo, I don't agree the comparison is apt, but that's just my own view which I'm prepared to change if shown otherwise. Far from being a mastermind I started this thread because I'm not sure what to make of UKIP as a party. Many of their policies seem reasonable, and arguments against them seem to be personality rather than policy based. I was not trying to provoke a Godwin, but rather acknowledging that I had almost done so myself by comparing Farages' skill as an orator with the late Mr Hitler earlier in the thread.