UKIP

[nedums noodles]

UKIP = tax should be low as possible.
protecting the greenbelt.
cracking down on crime and anti social rags.
more police on the streets.
cutting council executives and managers,not front line services.
controlling immigration.
giving real decision-making to local communities.
money for local services,Not the EU.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

UKIP = tax should be low as possible.
protecting the greenbelt.
cracking down on crime and anti social rags.
more police on the streets.
cutting council executives and managers,not front line services.
controlling immigration.
giving real decision-making to local communities.
money for local services,Not the EU.

So essentially they are a political party only for those over 50?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

UKIP = tax should be low as possible.
protecting the greenbelt.
cracking down on crime and anti social rags.
more police on the streets.
cutting council executives and managers,not front line services.
controlling immigration.
giving real decision-making to local communities.
money for local services,Not the EU.

Anyone can tell you what they'd do to make things better but how are they going to do it?

All political parties promise the world and then force you to swallow their jizz.

That's my problem with them to be honest, the UKIP state that politicians and political parties have failed us, which is true, but they're a political party and politicians so fuck them on their own sword.

They should rename themselves 'Bored middle age white men' and force us all to wear beige slacks. Massive idiots.

 

[intheknow!]

I think UKIP are Thatcherite. There is nothing that Farage says or does that could not have come out of her mouth. Economically Thatcherite and Socially Conservative along with isolationist on Foreign policy (but very pro-American).

The Tories currently have an identity crisis. Under Cameron they are Socially liberal (gay marriage etc) but economically more right wing than Thatcher (cuts, cuts, cuts, austerity, hating the poor, privatising things like the Post Office, even Thatcher dared not). If you look at the likes of Osborne, Cameron, Gove, Hunt et al they are not conservatives, in the truest sense of the word. The Orange book wing of the Lib Dems and the Cameroons are the same politically, whereas the SDP wing of the Lib Dems are essentially Labour. These types and Blairites believe in Liberal interventionism around the world, private sector solves everything blah blah blah.

The ironic thing for UKIP is that to actually have an electoral breakthrough, they need the very errr.......EUROPEAN!! Proportional Representation electoral system.

I had hoped the collapse of the Lib Dems would see the Greens have a UKIP-style breakthrough, or at least become more prominent. On energy, economic, social policy etc they are closer to my politics. They don't have any real supporters in the media though.

 

[Anonymous]

The point still stands anyway, you said you were interested in UKIP and asked for opinions of them, people gave opinions and having done minimal research you basically gave in and jettisoned any idea of voting for them. So you can forgive me for thinking you have trouble making a decision without somebody to give you directions. I constantly review my own opinions and try to inform my own, rather than just adopt other peoples.

Rubbish, absolute rubbish.

I saw what others have said, went on their website and then read several articles about them.

I posted my reply that I might give them a miss due to both right and left posters on here dismissing them as racists. I have met several people off here who I disagree with in terms of parties but would trust 100% to point out a group of racists.

It didn't appear that way anyway. The racist point is unimportant to me anyway because as has been pointed out there are racists in the two big parties, Patrick Mercer in the Cons and Dianne Abbot made racially biased remarks about West Indian mothers. For the most part it is a distraction tactic anyway, and it doesn't surprise me that Ukip as alternative party attracts people with the alternative view of being uncomfortable among darker skinned faces. The main point is do they have any viable policies? The answer to me is no.

You seemed quite passionate about immigration last week. If you were serious about that then I have news for you Ban, you can't have stricter immigration without getting into bed with people who have at least mildly to moderate racist or xenophobic views.

I agree with that point on the whole but my view is purely on immigration from now onward. I believe in the past it may have been good but the services aren't there for more and more people now.

That said immigration is the main topic of conversation for racists and xenophobes, to which I distance myself from. My concerns are purely economical and political, not personal.

There may be racists in each party as there are from all walks of life but when a whole party has a feeling of racism, that is different. I'm not saying UKIP have but time will tell.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

I think UKIP are Thatcherite. There is nothing that Farage says or does that could not have come out of her mouth. Economically Thatcherite and Socially Conservative along with isolationist on Foreign policy (but very pro-American).

The Tories currently have an identity crisis. Under Cameron they are Socially liberal (gay marriage etc) but economically more right wing than Thatcher (cuts, cuts, cuts, austerity, hating the poor, privatising things like the Post Office, even Thatcher dared not). If you look at the likes of Osborne, Cameron, Gove, Hunt et al they are not conservatives, in the truest sense of the word. The Orange book wing of the Lib Dems and the Cameroons are the same politically, whereas the SDP wing of the Lib Dems are essentially Labour. These types and Blairites believe in Liberal interventionism around the world, private sector solves everything blah blah blah.

The ironic thing for UKIP is that to actually have an electoral breakthrough, they need the very errr.......EUROPEAN!! Proportional Representation electoral system.

I had hoped the collapse of the Lib Dems would see the Greens have a UKIP-style breakthrough, or at least become more prominent. On energy, economic, social policy etc they are closer to my politics. They don't have any real supporters in the media though.

No they are not Thatcherite, Thatcher took us further into Europe even if she had reservations. Thatcher was neo-liberal, they are paleoconservatives.

 

[intheknow!]

I think UKIP are Thatcherite. There is nothing that Farage says or does that could not have come out of her mouth. Economically Thatcherite and Socially Conservative along with isolationist on Foreign policy (but very pro-American).

The Tories currently have an identity crisis. Under Cameron they are Socially liberal (gay marriage etc) but economically more right wing than Thatcher (cuts, cuts, cuts, austerity, hating the poor, privatising things like the Post Office, even Thatcher dared not). If you look at the likes of Osborne, Cameron, Gove, Hunt et al they are not conservatives, in the truest sense of the word. The Orange book wing of the Lib Dems and the Cameroons are the same politically, whereas the SDP wing of the Lib Dems are essentially Labour. These types and Blairites believe in Liberal interventionism around the world, private sector solves everything blah blah blah.

The ironic thing for UKIP is that to actually have an electoral breakthrough, they need the very errr.......EUROPEAN!! Proportional Representation electoral system.

I had hoped the collapse of the Lib Dems would see the Greens have a UKIP-style breakthrough, or at least become more prominent. On energy, economic, social policy etc they are closer to my politics. They don't have any real supporters in the media though.

No they are not Thatcherite, Thatcher took us further into Europe even if she had reservations. Thatcher was neo-liberal, they are paleoconservatives.

At the beginning she did. But I'm referring to 'Thatcherite' post Bruge. In her Bruge speech she essentially raised the flag of Eurosceptism, that Conservative Associations and parts of the PCP (Major's Bastards) rallied around, eventually that spawned Jimmy Goldsmith's Referenendum party, the fore runner of UKIP. Thatcher was neo-liberal right wing on economics but socially conservative. Cameron and Osborne are neo-liberal on economics but socially liberal.


It's also important to remember it's not just some of the right wing who are Eurosceptic, it was Old Labour that was originally opposed to EU membership, especially Bennites. Tony Benn has always been Eurosceptic on the democratic deficit issue.

 

[argyle]

So you think UKIP are racists now?

From what I can gather, their only policy is immigration and keeping the Europeans out.

Then you've gathered wrong.

Some on here would have you believe they eat babies.....it just isn't true :-)

If you go to their webpage the issues they deal with are almost all to do with the E.U. and immigrants.

If you see immigration as the number 1 issue and the E.U. as the cause for most of what's bad in this country then they'll be the party for you.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Say what you like about Godfrey Bloom, and I think he's a cock, but at least he has a sense of humour. Here's his Christmas Card, with 'slut' wife and bongos.
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[Anonymous]

No they are not Thatcherite, Thatcher took us further into Europe even if she had reservations. Thatcher was neo-liberal, they are paleoconservatives.

At the beginning she did. But I'm referring to 'Thatcherite' post Bruge. In her Bruge speech she essentially raised the flag of Eurosceptism, that Conservative Associations and parts of the PCP (Major's Bastards) rallied around, eventually that spawned Jimmy Goldsmith's Referenendum party, the fore runner of UKIP. Thatcher was neo-liberal right wing on economics but socially conservative. Cameron and Osborne are neo-liberal on economics but socially liberal.


It's also important to remember it's not just some of the right wing who are Eurosceptic, it was Old Labour that was originally opposed to EU membership, especially Bennites. Tony Benn has always been Eurosceptic on the democratic deficit issue.

Wrong on so many counts.

When you look at her policies toward Europe, education, the economy, healthcare, UK industry, immigration and Northern Ireland throughout her political career you can quite clearly see she is neither neo-liberal, socially conservative or paleoconcervative, she was actually a despicable and contemptible ****.