UKIP

[PrestwichPeteMcfc]

Labour is the party to vote for if you are a net recipient of other peoples money in the form of benefits or wages from a state sector job.

For the tax paying working class Labour are useless, so why not give UKIP a try?

Around 55% of households are net recipients of taxpayers money. So Labour is the party to vote for for the majority of people? Fair enough.

 

[EalingBlue2]

The unpleasant right of Thatchers Tory party split away as they find the Tories too soft and too left wing. They then spout populist and racist policies trying to blame everyone for britains woes but conveniently ignoring all the real reasons.

People are daft enough to fall for it, so can't really blame them for trying - just lucky that in the UK voting is not compulsory or pm farage would be making tony Abbott look like an intelligent reasonable PM.

 

[EalingBlue2]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

 

[smudgedj]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

Reads like a desperate attempt to demonise a party you don't agree with.

 

[EalingBlue2]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

Reads like a desperate attempt to demonise a party you don't agree with.

Not at all - I won't have to suffer one iota myself if they do well - though people I love will. Not a desperate attempt at all a mere statement of the very obvious.

I didn't like thatcher but there were reformists and able people in her team, ukip are a rump of nasty people relying on the fact that people am would rather blame others than make difficult decisions.

The latter point I made sadly is the be all and end all to most counties at the moment but the short term nature of politics means no one acknowledges it.

The other terrible reality that proves a lie to ukip is that most western countries have populations that are ageing, most have huge long term deficits to meet commitments and need significant economic growth to fund these debts. Most therefore can only increase the tax base with immigration and so it goes on round and round.

People have to accept that they need to pay more tax just to get the basics, they also have to accept greater responsibility for funding their own and quite possibly their parents retirement and the west needs brave long term policies - without th the economic crisis of 2008 to today will look like nothing.

Tories, labour and liberals are doing pretty much nowt but at least they are not trying to blame others and trying to use the problems to divide and play the cards we saw played all too often in the Europe of 80 years ago

 

[## SUPER KUN ##]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

If you truly believe anything you have mentioned about the EU then I would book in to see some sort of mental psychologist straight away! Don't embarrass yourself on a forum like this discussing issues and topics of debate you clearly don't understand or you are simply unable to open your own eyes and are unable to see things as they are. I can't wait for you to accuse me of being a bigot or a racist!

 

[EalingBlue2]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

If you truly believe anything you have mentioned about the EU then I would book in to see some sort of mental psychologist straight away! Don't embarrass yourself on a forum like this discussing issues and topics of debate you clearly don't understand or you are simply unable to open your own eyes and are unable to see things as they are. I can't wait for you to accuse me of being a bigot or a racist!

I have said very little about the EU other than it brought Europe and as we are talking the EU this means western Europe an unprecedented period of wealth and peace. This is not debatable it is simple fact .You say I can't see things as they are but unless I lived through and missed world war three then frankly I am not sure I even understand what you are talking about ? are you claiming that there has been another Great War I missed or that we were richer in the 30's??? Please explain on which point ie unprecedented wealth or unprecedented peace I was wrong on and then when exactly a time existed when no western European countries went to war with each other or when people overall had a higher standard of living. I am puzzled or is any comment on the eu/eec not matter how simple or factual now a major political comment?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

The EU was not established to stop another world war, it was solely a trading body, originally, it has received all it's protection from the member states of NATO, it has had fuck all influence in 'bringing peace' to Europe.

 

[EalingBlue2]

UKIP do have some interesting policies and giving the status quo a good kicking is a very good thing, the problem they have is all the members i have seen seem to be brain dead fuckwits, Farage needs to surround himself with brighter people

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

The EU was not established to stop another world war, it was solely a trading body, originally, it has received all it's protection from the member states of NATO, it has had fuck all influence in 'bringing peace' to Europe.

NATO was about protecting the west from the soviet Union - it was not about bringing peace within western Europe. Back in the 50's many played a part in formation all based on bringing western Europe together closely to bring peace and wealth . I am not interested in any debate on the modern EU or the issues of today but I will stand by the fact that the European institutions helped bring unprecedented peace to western Europe and that Western Europe also had unprecedented levels of wealth for its people . The latter would have happened without the eec as the same was true in all the west. The former I am not convinced about - western Europe had two millennia of almost constant war before hand

 

[Metal Biker]

The irony is that UKIP a is made up of the most status quo of the status quo, the group responsible for the start of many absolute fuck ups under thatcher. Now they abandon their party and pretend they are outsiders fighting against the establishment they were part of. Goebells couldn't make it up better but you get what you vote for. Lucky Scotland voted no for the future safety of Britain!

Then again I think that the EU which was established to stop another world war and to bring peace and prosperity has actually been an amazing success and helped bring incredible wealth and unprecedented peace to Europe.

But if trying to recreate a mystical golden age back in the 50's and if blaming foreigners is easier than uncovering the real issues is what you want then fair enough!

Society has one real problem and that is a system designed around people working from 18-65 paying tax and then dying at about 70 whereas people aspire to work from 23 to 60 and expect to live to 90+ it is a major major issue and as far as I can see not something that nasty foreigners are to blame for

If you truly believe anything you have mentioned about the EU then I would book in to see some sort of mental psychologist straight away! Don't embarrass yourself on a forum like this discussing issues and topics of debate you clearly don't understand or you are simply unable to open your own eyes and are unable to see things as they are. I can't wait for you to accuse me of being a bigot or a racist!

I have said very little about the EU other than it brought Europe and as we are talking the EU this means western Europe an unprecedented period of wealth and peace. This is not debatable it is simple fact and it is not even debatable. You say I can't see things as they are but unless I lived through and missed world war three then frankly I am not sure I even understand what you are talking about or are you claiming that there has been another Great War or we were richer in the 30's???

Europe has been at peace with itself since the 1950's. The EU was formed in 1992, so I don't buy in to the idea that the EU has 'brought peace'; we already had it 40 years before it was formed. Nobody is saying that co-operation between European nations isn't necessary, what we're debating is what role the EU intends to play. We have already have peace in Europe... so why does the EU need to be stronger? To be a 'force' in the world? To be a major player on the world stage? Sorry, but that's not what we signed up for. Fair trade and co-operation, not laws passed by a select few who are chosen by a commission we didn't vote for. The EU sounds more like coercion than co-operation to me.

Keep trade with European nations, continue to allow immigration with the world and European nations with all subject to the same criteria that benefits the country rather than an advantage for some being members of a union which excludes over 150 nations, and provide aid and assistance where required. All this is achievable without being a part of a political union with a group which is becoming just as corrupt and self serving as Westminster.