ULEZ Letter

[bluethrunthru]

talking Tory head was paid for this

 

[west didsblue]

Sadiq Khan tried to 'silence' scientists who questioned impact of ULEZ scheme

The ultra low emission zone (ULEZ) is aimed at improving air quality but has sparked controversy.

www.express.co.uk

follow the science, until it doesn’t suit your agenda!

Express!!
I prefer Viz if I want to read a comic.
Anything in a credible publication?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

talking Tory head was paid for this

Check out Natalie Rowe's tweets in reply. He always had a creepy vibe. So slimy and smug.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Express!!
I prefer Viz if I want to read a comic.
Anything in a credible publication?

Access Restricted

London mayor Sadiq Khan's office accused of 'alarmingly cosy relationship' to 'silence' ULEZ criticism

The Ultra Low Emission Zone in London is a dividing line between the two main parties, with the Conservatives opposing its expansion. Khan's team are accused by the Tories of "conspiring" to "silence" critical research but the Labour mayor says speaking to experts is "normal and proper".

news.sky.com

Sadiq Khan accused of trying to ‘squash’ scientific ‘dissent’ over Ulez

The Labour mayor’s deputy called on an academic funded by City Hall to rebut studies that questioned Ulez effectiveness.

www.independent.co.uk

Sadiq Khan's office moved to 'silence' scientists over Ulez findings

Shirley Rodrigues, the London Mayor's deputy for environment and energy was 'disappointed' by Imperial College research showing that Ulez cut nitrogen dioxide by less than three per cent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sadiq Khan’s office tried to 'silence' scientists over ULEZ pollution impact

A ROW is raging after London Mayor Sadiq Khan’s office tried to “silence” scientists over his ultra-low emission zone having little pollution impact. Private correspondence between his environment …

www.thesun.co.uk

Sadiq Khan deputy helped scientist play down Ulez study

Scientists who queried Ulez impact silenced by London mayor’s office

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[west didsblue]

Access Restricted

London mayor Sadiq Khan's office accused of 'alarmingly cosy relationship' to 'silence' ULEZ criticism

The Ultra Low Emission Zone in London is a dividing line between the two main parties, with the Conservatives opposing its expansion. Khan's team are accused by the Tories of "conspiring" to "silence" critical research but the Labour mayor says speaking to experts is "normal and proper".

news.sky.com

Sadiq Khan accused of trying to ‘squash’ scientific ‘dissent’ over Ulez

The Labour mayor’s deputy called on an academic funded by City Hall to rebut studies that questioned Ulez effectiveness.

www.independent.co.uk

Sadiq Khan's office moved to 'silence' scientists over Ulez findings

Shirley Rodrigues, the London Mayor's deputy for environment and energy was 'disappointed' by Imperial College research showing that Ulez cut nitrogen dioxide by less than three per cent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sadiq Khan’s office tried to 'silence' scientists over ULEZ pollution impact

A ROW is raging after London Mayor Sadiq Khan’s office tried to “silence” scientists over his ultra-low emission zone having little pollution impact. Private correspondence between his environment …

www.thesun.co.uk

Sadiq Khan deputy helped scientist play down Ulez study

Scientists who queried Ulez impact silenced by London mayor’s office

www.thetimes.co.uk

Thanks for that.

Seems the controversy is about Khan’s motives for asking experts to provide more information following a report questioning the effectiveness of ULEZ in its early days. Seems there’s a difference of opinion depending on which article is read.

 

[Vic]

Thanks for that.

Seems the controversy is about Khan’s motives for asking experts to provide more information following a report questioning the effectiveness of ULEZ in its early days. Seems there’s a difference of opinion depending on which article is read.

Don't forget this is coming from the Tories who said we'd had enough of experts.

Popular press misunderstanding scientific research is nothing new either.

And two departments at Imperial had differing views on Covid research.

The only real questions are what the research said and if and how it was misleading.

I think this is the original report that the Mayor thought was misleading.

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And this is the report justifying the changes (link at end to pdf)

Inner London Ultra Low Emission Zone Expansion One Year Report

In this report, we evaluate the impacts of the ULEZ and the LEZ schemes, focusing on one year following the ULEZ expansion to inner London and for the LEZ, over a year and a half on from the enforcement of tighter LEZ standards.

www.london.gov.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

In less than a week this grift will die a death as so many people realize they remain unaffected by ULEZ charges

 

[Stoned Rose]

Cba reading the thread but have I got this right?

It’s £12.50 a day to drive about. So if someone is driving to work mon to Fri they’re going to get bummed to the tune of £250 a month?

How are folk supposed to afford that?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Cba reading the thread but have I got this right?

It’s £12.50 a day to drive about. So if someone is driving to work mon to Fri they’re going to get bummed to the tune of £250 a month?

How are folk supposed to afford that?

Yep if you have a non complaint car but you can get £2k if you are on benefits to get a new car, which will probably cost you at least £250 a month so what do you think will happen, Ker Fucking Ching Khan.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Check out Natalie Rowe's tweets in reply. He always had a creepy vibe. So slimy and smug.

I prefer this one...

 

[Blue Maverick]

Khan has just admitted in two years the ULEZ will not raise any money within two years, so that begs the question how can they afford to run it after two years? Pay per mile coming soon, they will just use the cameras for that.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Khan has just admitted in two years the ULEZ will not raise any money within two years, so that begs the question how can they afford to run it after two years? Pay per mile coming soon, they will just use the cameras for that.

Please explain ''what it will cost to run'' after two years. The infrastructure has already been installed and paid for ... its a fully automated system using ANPR.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Here, courtesy of the LSE, is an article that seems to confirm that the scientific research that supports the expansion of ULEZ is compelling and has not been doctored (unless I have missed something).

The truth about London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone - Grantham Research Institute on climate change and the environment

As London prepares for the expansion next week of the Ultra Low Emission Zone, Bob Ward dispels the myths around this policy, explaining its origins, the thinking behind the expansion and the links between air pollution and health.

www.lse.ac.uk

Although I live in London, am unaffected as I don't drive.

So it may well be that the expansion and charges are unjustifiable for other reasons, such as that they are burdensome and punitive for those who drive cars that are not exempt from the charge.

Given the length of this thread, I would assume that this side of the debate has already been discussed.

Will therefore take a look later.

My concern is merely to draw attention to the link in case it hasn't previously been posted. Apologies if it has.

The only other thing I would note is that whoever decided on the name 'Blade Runners' to describe those who are vandalising/disabling the cameras must be oblivious to the fact that both movies are set in an environmentally degraded future.

Having said that, the term was originally coined by the wonderfully eccentric American novelist William Burroughs.

Burroughs also liked a good conspiracy theory, and so, when he wasn't shooting up heroin, to which he became re-addicted at the age of 80 (though I might have misremembered his age when this happened), he would probably have been delighted to read about those who regard the policy as one more expression of attempts to exert control over the populace by some kind of shadowy elite (presumably the metropolitan variety that the mediocre political scientist Matthew Goodwin keeps banging on about, or maybe it's the same cabal that was behind the Covid and climate change hoaxes, or perhaps it's eco-friendly cultural Marxists this time, or the shapeshifting paedophile lizards, or the Illuminati...it's hard to keep track of all these malign forces that are competing to brainwash us these days).

 

[Blue Maverick]

Please explain ''what it will cost to run'' after two years. The infrastructure has already been installed and paid for ... its a fully automated system using ANPR.

So it doesn’t have any humans involved, maintenance etc, come on nothing is fully automated, there will be millions paid to a company for the upkeep of it all, if there’s no cash coming in how do they continue to pay for it?

 

[hilts]

So it doesn’t have any humans involved, maintenance etc, come on nothing is fully automated, there will be millions paid to a company for the upkeep of it all, if there’s no cash coming in how do they continue to pay for it?

At the end of the day the public ends up paying for most things. Cleaner air seems one of the better things to cough up for if you pardon the pun:-)

It's been a cock up as per usual because a lot of these cars shouldn't be on the roads but we are where we are.

Generally I don't agree with taxing people for things that are bad for others. I would have stopped the sales of certain cars but that wouldn't change the problem that exists today.

People don't want to pay for or can't afford to get rid of cars that do harm to others.

 

[Saxmundham Blue]

With away games against West Ham, Arsenal and Chelsea in the coming months I can see a few City fans getting fined now that the ULEZ covers everywhere inside the M25.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I dint see why when, for starters, All diesels made since 2015 are compliant.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Khan has just admitted in two years the ULEZ will not raise any money within two years, so that begs the question how can they afford to run it after two years? Pay per mile coming soon, they will just use the cameras for that.

Do you mean the ''Pay per Mile '' that is Tory Policy?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I live in Essex which borders the expanded ULEZ and my wife and I drive that way semi regularly.

As with the vast majority of people I’m completely unaffected and I don’t know anybody who is (not to say they don’t exist). There aren’t enormous swathes of people living in and around the most expensive part of the country riding round in cars that are decades old.

What there is though, is a massive problem with air quality and traffic shortening life expectancies. Which is why generally I find most people in and around London aren’t actually arsed about this policy. The only complaints I’ve heard about it are from people who don’t live here.

In my opinion, this is a necessary step towards removing polluting cars from cities - but it can’t work on its own, it can only work with two extra considerations:
1) the scrappage scheme for cars that don’t qualify needs to be strong.
2) the public transport needs to be promoted in place of road travel with investment and cheaper fares.

I would be very surprised if a business operating in and around London with an old van can’t bear a £12.50 charge which it can pass onto consumers - £12.50 hardly gets you a pint here, nobody would bat an eye. And if it can’t do that then I have to question the value of it driving around heavily congested areas in the first place.

 

[hilts]

I live in Essex which borders the expanded ULEZ and my wife and I drive that way semi regularly.

As with the vast majority of people I’m completely unaffected and I don’t know anybody who is (not to say they don’t exist). There aren’t enormous swathes of people living in and around the most expensive part of the country riding round in cars that are decades old.

What there is though, is a massive problem with air quality and traffic shortening life expectancies. Which is why generally I find most people in and around London aren’t actually arsed about this policy. The only complaints I’ve heard about it are from people who don’t live here.

In my opinion, this is a necessary step towards removing polluting cars from cities - but it can’t work on its own, it can only work with two extra considerations:
1) the scrappage scheme for cars that don’t qualify needs to be strong.
2) the public transport needs to be promoted in place of road travel with investment and cheaper fares.

I would be very surprised if a business operating in and around London with an old van can’t bear a £12.50 charge which it can pass onto consumers - £12.50 hardly gets you a pint here, nobody would bat an eye. And if it can’t do that then I have to question the value of it driving around heavily congested areas in the first place.

The self employed don't like paying tax, who does really:-)

Lot of moaning not much in the way of solutions.