United 2016/17

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calum down said:
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Where are the butchers, the toilet doors, the ticket touts, the air disaster TM, the grannies, the brothers, the families being evicted etc etc ?
 
RACHACE said:
I first started properly getting into football when I was 8, over 30 years ago, and even in those early years as a Manchester United fan one of the first things I picked up was the importance of the Manchester United vs Liverpool clashes, the clash of great local rivals with proud histories of achievement both domestic and European, the clash of tradition, the clash of two teams who have truly massive, genuine global followings that the likes of Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea can only dream about.

Football matches of a certain level and magnitude have the capacity to generate a level of prestige, hype and interest that goes beyond those just involved in football and this clash of arch rivals Manchester United and Liverpool certainly ranks very highly amongst that category of games, indeed it's never just a game, it's a battle above and beyond what happens on the pitch.

Manchester United vs Liverpool, or indeed Liverpool vs Manchester United, is genuinely so much more than a football match, it’s about rivalry, tradition, competition, emotion and certainly given what both clubs have achieved domestically and abroad, the combined proven history of success dictates that this is still the biggest clash that English football can provide no matter the claims of the likes of Chelsea, Manchester City and Arsenal.

Whenever Manchester United and Liverpool clash, the match always has massive importance to everybody involved and that is definitely the case here for the clash on Monday night, this match is absolutely vital to both teams, the pressures riding on it are immense given defeat in this fixture is something that neither side can afford to comprehend, defeat in this fixture is a heavy blow to take and it leaves everybody connected reeling on the ropes.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the match works out on next Monday night, it's one of those fixtures that really grabs you, the events of the day of the match are planned around the match and if you are lucky enough to attend the match live then I doubt you can beat the intensity of the atmosphere as you can genuinely feel it just sat in the stands, there is just something extra special about it.

I've been lucky enough to attend plenty of Manchester United vs Liverpool fixtures in my time, although only ever at Old Trafford and I must say I do wish I'd had the chance to attend a Liverpool vs Manchester United clash at Anfield.
- it's something that you look forward to all week long before the match and the buzz you get on the day itself and during the match really is something else, if you can I recommend you make every effort to experience it at least once even if you don't support either side.

I'll give my views on how I see the game potentially going and the bets I think are most tempting but for now here are some of the statistics that I think matter most leading up to the match on Monday night, at Anfield, under the lights, Klopp vs Mourinho, everything is set up to make it truly special and let's hope it is just that


What can I say to this? (Once I've stopped laughing)
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It would be wrong to suggest that the game isn't presently perceived as huge, and widely so, but its preeminence, even in the minds of united fans, is a relatively recent phenomenon. I would say that only in the mid to late 70's did the game start to take on any meaningful significance to both clubs' supporters, with the 1977 Cup Final, where it royally kicked off iirc, being the catalyst for that, imo.

Prior to that, and certainly prior to united's relegation in 1974, their game with City was far more important to them than their game against Liverpool. The Derby would undoubtedly have been the game they most looked forward to (and talked of) when they were barnstorming Division 2 in the 1974/5 season. It's worth noting, that period prior to the mid-70's covers roughly two-thirds of united's history, even if you exclude the period prior to when City were formed in their modern incarnation, in 1894.

This once again demonstrates what pitiful levels of understanding of their overall history much of their supporter base have. Rather than read up widely on the subject and learn about a club they profess to love, instead they unthinkingly accept the party line that's peddled to them, namely that this game has always been the biggest and best. It's more than a little pathetic that people who claim to love a football club, and its history, show such little genuine appetite and curiosity for the subject matter.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It would be wrong to suggest that the game isn't presently perceived as huge, and widely so, but its preeminence, even in the minds of united fans, is a relatively recent phenomenon. I would say that only in the mid to late 70's did the game start to take on any meaningful significance to both clubs' supporters, with the 1977 Cup Final, where it royally kicked off iirc, being the catalyst for that, imo.

Prior to that, and certainly prior to united's relegation in 1974, their game with City was far more important to them than their game against Liverpool. The Derby would undoubtedly have been the game they most looked forward to (and talked of) when they were barnstorming Division 2 in the 1974/5 season. It's worth noting, that period prior to the mid-70's covers roughly two-thirds of united's history, even if you exclude the period prior to when City were formed in their modern incarnation, in 1894.

This once again demonstrates what pitiful levels of understanding of their overall history much of their supporter base have. Rather than read up widely on the subject and learn about a club they profess to love, instead they unthinkingly accept the party line that's peddled to them, namely that this game has always been the biggest and best. It's more than a little pathetic that people who claim to love a football club, and its history, show such little genuine appetite and curiosity for the subject matter.
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I like this post.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It would be wrong to suggest that the game isn't presently perceived as huge, and widely so, but its preeminence, even in the minds of united fans, is a relatively recent phenomenon. I would say that only in the mid to late 70's did the game start to take on any meaningful significance to both clubs' supporters, with the 1977 Cup Final, where it royally kicked off iirc, being the catalyst for that, imo.

Prior to that, and certainly prior to united's relegation in 1974, their game with City was far more important to them than their game against Liverpool. The Derby would undoubtedly have been the game they most looked forward to (and talked of) when they were barnstorming Division 2 in the 1974/5 season. It's worth noting, that period prior to the mid-70's covers roughly two-thirds of united's history, even if you exclude the period prior to when City were formed in their modern incarnation, in 1894.

This once again demonstrates what pitiful levels of understanding of their overall history much of their supporter base have. Rather than read up widely on the subject and learn about a club they profess to love, instead they unthinkingly accept the party line that's peddled to them, namely that this game has always been the biggest and best. It's more than a little pathetic that people who claim to love a football club, and its history, show such little genuine appetite and curiosity for the subject matter.
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Quality post.
 
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