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Exeter Blue I am here said:
They are, but unfortunately I find it difficult to look beyond them for champions. They're a shit team in terms of the overall quality of their football compared to say City or Arsenal, but they have a style of play that's very difficult to combat. First and foremost, they're a massive team. De Gea 6' 4, Shaw 6' 1, Valencia 6' 2, Bailly 6' 2, Smalling 6' 5, Carrick 6' 2, Pogba 6' 4, Bog brush 6' 4, Big nose 6' 4, even Rashford and Martial are 6' 0. That is unprecedented in the history of English football. Not even Wimbledon circa 88 come close. It allows them the luxury of a game plan predicated on little more than lumping in cross after cross after cross in the direction of Big nose and Bog brush, knowing that it takes 2 men to mark either of them, and with defensive bodies then tied up in the penalty area it is almost impossible for the opposition to break out. The pressure then becomes relentless as it did today. They aren't a particularly good side, as I said, but they have just sufficient creativity in the shape of Mata, Rashford and Martial, and pace from Martial, Rashford and Valencia, which when allied to that unbelievable physicality, allows them to play effectively on the counter against better footballing sides, whilst grinding teams down at the other end of the table via an aerial bombardment from the flanks. I genuinely don't see them losing more than 4 or 5 games all season. A shame for football, but there you go
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Would be intesting to compare your height stats to the Mancini title winning team, for the record I think heights got fuck all to do with winning titles- Barca twice twatting a United team in a CL final against players far taller.

Its about the quality of player and tactics.
 
Watched the game with my brother in law who is a massive rags fan.
Can honestly say I am not worried about them one bit.
They are piss poor.
We need to be more worried about Chelsea arsenal IMHO
this United team are playing at their level right now
We've not got out of 2nd gear
 
Was that Phelan suspecting he isn't getting the Hull gig and auditioning for a job back at the swamp by ushering in the new period of Maureen Time? **** !
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Watched the game with my brother in law who is a massive rags fan.
Can honestly say I am not worried about them one bit.
They are piss poor.
We need to be more worried about Chelsea arsenal IMHO
this United team are playing at their level right now
We've not got out of 2nd gear
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Correct, they aren't having a system overhaul like we are, they are the image of a LVG's United but with a gobshite in charge who the have initially taken to- let's see if he will now play Rashford more now he popped in the winner, it's twat it into the box looking for big nose.

We haven't as you say got out of second gear yet, we are far superior technically and tactically and ask any decent match going red and he will agree.
 
Not a major surprise - whan was the last time the rags were beaten by a team managed by one of their former players?
 
flb said:
Correct, they aren't having a system overhaul like we are, they are the image of a LVG's United but with a gobshite in charge who the have initially taken to- let's see if he will now play Rashford more now he popped in the winner, it's twat it into the box looking for big nose.

We haven't as you say got out of second gear yet, we are far superior technically and tactically and ask any decent match going red and he will agree.
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Yes we're superior tactically and technically but you have to remember Mourinho also won the la liga in Spain against peps Barca. Ultimately, he's a **** but he's a winning machine. If we beat them in two weeks I'll bet my life savings on us winning the league.
 
flb said:
Correct, they aren't having a system overhaul like we are, they are the image of a LVG's United but with a gobshite in charge who the have initially taken to- let's see if he will now play Rashford more now he popped in the winner, it's twat it into the box looking for big nose.

We haven't as you say got out of second gear yet, we are far superior technically and tactically and ask any decent match going red and he will agree.
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If we keep ticking off results and stay with firing distant once bravo gungodan and sane come in and Pep's message and tactics are firmly imprinted we will start cutting loose
 
This MU team is struggling for creativity. Pogba is neither sufficiently creative nor defensive, not easy for Mou, could soon get frustrated with him. Mkhi is being wasted on the bench. But then, Ibra cannot compliment Mkhi. Mkhi + Rashford is a bigger threat against us than Ibra + Rooney. Quite a few teams likely to draw games against this team. Nevertheless the rest of the league appears chicken fodder compared to top 3-5. We hv to be relentless. And Pep loves relentless :)
 
flb said:
Would be intesting to compare your height stats to the Mancini title winning team, for the record I think heights got fuck all to do with winning titles- Barca twice twatting a United team in a CL final against players far taller.

Its about the quality of player and tactics.
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I don't disagree. I think they have sufficient quality (just) though, which when allied to that physicality is going to make them very tough to beat. And as I've said about 4 times now, we are the team best equipped to finish above them. You're right about Mancini's City. Probably the biggest team we've ever had. Hart, Micah, Lescott, Kompers, Gaz Baz, Balotelli, Dzeko, they were all big units. Plus most of our short players then were like tanks as well (De Jong, Tevez, Sergio)
 
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Also, the fact that Pep hasnt gone for re-enforcements in midfield or full-back position means he is going to try sthg different, as a starting base, compared to Barca & Bayern. Given that we are stacked in AM & wide areas, he may use intelligent players like Gundogan, Silva in unconventional multi-functional roles within a game. Like someone said, we hv to ensure our midfield is injury-free. Any issue to a player like Dinho, we lose a very important player. The first derby will reflect less on the league, the return leg is likely to be more critical. And I expect pep to use possession more for control in the 1st game if we hv any key defensive issues. This MU team struggles to win the ball back as these physical players arent as mobile. So its upto MU to convert one or two of their 5 or 6 counter-attack chances. On the flip-side they would not hv dealt with the kind of movement Pep's teams make.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I don't disagree. I think they have sufficient quality (just) though, which when allied to that physicality is going to make them very tough to beat. And as I've said about 4 times now, we are the team best equipped to finish above them. You're right about Mancini's City. Probably the biggest team we've ever had. Hart, Micah, Lescott, Kompers, Gaz Baz, Balotelli, Dzeko, they were all big units. Plus most of our short players then were like tanks as well (De Jong, Tevez, Sergio)
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You just shocked me fella saying they will win it!
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
My point is that it doesn't matter a shit whether the rags play like an 80's team or not, merely whether the rest of the league can cope with that way of playing. Thus far this season (including the Charity Shield), 4 out of 4 teams haven't been able to. Based largely on the Taggart era, but also last season under Van Gaal, they've always managed to bully teams like Arsenal and the Dippers to defeat, and I don't see that changing. With the exception of the absence of a dynamic Keane type presence in the engine room, I'd say the current rags team is the closest in physicality and style to when Whiskey Nose was in charge.
They haven't had any real tests yet, but then neither have we. Like I said in my last post though I think we are the one team that can stop them, so I'm not convinced the pessimism tag fits......although I have got previous ;-)
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Count how many players in this current Barca team are over 6ft.
http://www.espnfc.com/club/barcelona/83/squad
You'll find that Pique,Busquets,Rakitic and L Suarez are the only ones in the main 10 outfield players
Pep will also make sure that our box isn't too crowded for set pieces insuring we have players ready to counter which further insures non risk taker Mourinho will have to provide cover to mark them . We will cope adequately at the set piece .
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I don't disagree. I think they have sufficient quality (just) though, which when allied to that physicality is going to make them very tough to beat. And as I've said about 4 times now, we are the team best equipped to finish above them. You're right about Mancini's City. Probably the biggest team we've ever had. Hart, Micah, Lescott, Kompers, Gaz Baz, Balotelli, Dzeko, they were all big units. Plus most of our short players then were like tanks as well (De Jong, Tevez, Sergio)
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Their size and height, their physicality and most importantly their relentlessness, especially in the latter stages of a match, mean sweet Fanny Adams if they don't have the ball.

Hit them early with two quick goals, they'll panic chasing the game, in the process they'll open up space and we'll seize on it, bang, bang, it'll be all over.

Men and boys, that's how it'll be, I've got an advanced copy of Peps plan :-)
 
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