United (A) | PL | Post Match Thread

Ducado said:
Some pre match giddiness from Red Cafe, although there are a few realists

Man City game. A potential turning point…

I know there Will be a match thread and much discussed on it but the overly unrealistic optimistic part of me can’t help but feel a sliver of hope for this game. Based on from this season, Id say there’s a 95% plus chance of United not winning this game. There’s a slightly lessor percentage...
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They like “turning points” and “turning a corner”.
Turning a corner is winning 11 on the bounce like county after a bad start. Not scraping past copenhagen and brentford

Bell ends
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is an excellent post. May I add one key ingredient? As they've floundered, their competition has strengthened. You point out City, but let's add Liverpool -- long-tenured manager with a specific style and way of playing. And money. Let's add Arsenal -- a manager who could have been jettisoned but they've stuck with him and improved. And they have some money. There's Toon -- they have tons of money but more important, plenty of patience. There's Spurs. They're -- well -- Spurs, but at least as good this year as they have been in a while, and even if you think they'll Spurs themselves as usual, they have one important high-quality asset Utd doesn't -- a beautiful brand new ground which can be leveraged for revenue-making opportunities. Perhaps we should talk about Villa too, or Brighton, though these may be flashes in the pan. Does anyone think Chelsea won't eventually be back with their money? Brentford and Palace -- two London based clubs with at least a modicum of ambition and capital sit as assets waiting to be levered too albeit FFP starts to bite any major ambition.

All these clubs will have ups and downs, but never again will Utd have one competitor at a time. The monopoly/duopoly has been shattered for good.

In short, no objective observer would look at their current failures in a one-club vacuum . . . but they do! Here's how I know: there's no way on EARTH the Glazers proforma 7th place or whatever as a potential outcome when they run their anticipated cash flow and earnings models. If they did, they'd have sold the club a few weeks back in an instant. It's not just the delusion in their past and present that's at issue -- it's delusion about their future, a future in which they have better-financed, better-managed business organiz(s)ations in their own league which have and will continue to translate into better pitch performance for an extended period. Only they are so far up their own asses ("But . . . but . . . but . . . this is MANCHESTER UNITED we're talking about!") they make decisions based on this wonderful phrase @SkyBlueFlux came up with -- "presumptive exceptionalism."
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They had a thread asking which City players would get into a combined United City Team. So many posting that none would. All the United players they thought would stopped playing 5/10 years ago and that’s their problem. Living in the past. The club and fans can’t accept or are in denial that the football landscape has changed and they have been well and truly left behind. Dinosaur of a club. They will win nothing of significance for a decade
 
Sheik Battle and Goal said:
They had a thread asking which City players would get into a combined United City Team. So many posting that none would. All the United players they thought would stopped playing 5/10 years ago and that’s their problem. Living in the past. The club and fans can’t accept or are in denial that the football landscape has changed and they have been well and truly left behind. Dinosaur of a club. They will win nothing of significance for a decade
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They don't want to build anything because they have been told they are the best club in the world and the biggest club ever.

Once they lose that arrogance and entitlement they will improve, that however isn't happening any day soo.
 
In my opinion there are absolutely no players in the United team that played on Sunday who would get into the City team that played on Sunday. Pick any of their players, in any position on the pitch, and ask if they are near to competing with their direct opposition. Bias, perhaps,but don't think so.
 
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