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[Lankers]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before on this thread, but it's a very interesting video by James Lawrence Allcott.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Pulling this over from the main United thread. Think this game has really caused it to sink in just how dire their situation is when it comes to their chances of becoming a genuinely elite club again.

This is an excellent post. May I add one key ingredient? As they've floundered, their competition has strengthened. You point out City, but let's add Liverpool -- long-tenured manager with a specific style and way of playing. And money. Let's add Arsenal -- a manager who could have been jettisoned but they've stuck with him and improved. And they have some money. There's Toon -- they have tons of money but more important, plenty of patience. There's Spurs. They're -- well -- Spurs, but at least as good this year as they have been in a while, and even if you think they'll Spurs themselves as usual, they have one important high-quality asset Utd doesn't -- a beautiful brand new ground which can be leveraged for revenue-making opportunities. Perhaps we should talk about Villa too, or Brighton, though these may be flashes in the pan. Does anyone think Chelsea won't eventually be back with their money? Brentford and Palace -- two London based clubs with at least a modicum of ambition and capital sit as assets waiting to be levered too albeit FFP starts to bite any major ambition.

All these clubs will have ups and downs, but never again will Utd have one competitor at a time. The monopoly/duopoly has been shattered for good.

In short, no objective observer would look at their current failures in a one-club vacuum . . . but they do! Here's how I know: there's no way on EARTH the Glazers proforma 7th place or whatever as a potential outcome when they run their anticipated cash flow and earnings models. If they did, they'd have sold the club a few weeks back in an instant. It's not just the delusion in their past and present that's at issue -- it's delusion about their future, a future in which they have better-financed, better-managed business organiz(s)ations in their own league which have and will continue to translate into better pitch performance for an extended period. Only they are so far up their own asses ("But . . . but . . . but . . . this is MANCHESTER UNITED we're talking about!") they make decisions based on this wonderful phrase @SkyBlueFlux came up with -- "presumptive exceptionalism."

 

[gazinho]

Still cant get over how good that away end was on Sunday, everyone getting right in the spirit taking the piss for 90 plus minutes then exactly the same coming out of the ground aswell.

Fuck every single one of the red bastards, give it them in spades blues we put up with their shite for years and years

 

[Roachy]

That's a great post. Pep also gave Grealish a much more free role in the Young Boys match with him moving across to the right frequently. Perhaps it was a rehearsal for Sunday. Grealish and Bernardo dragged United's defenders left and right in the second half leaving a gaping whole down the centre of United's pitiful defence.

The other thing is that I don't think a full strength Utd team (whatever that would look like) would've fared any better on the day.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

If it's violent conduct, then it should be an automatic red. Let's be honest, the challenge itself was a blatant yellow (if only that). The reaction afterwards is a clear red.

I remember Foy sending Vinny off in an FA Cup game against these cunts for a no contact challenge not as bad as Anthonys and Foy telling the world that the intent was enough, go figure.

 

[spacecadet]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before on this thread, but it's a very interesting video by James Lawrence Allcott.

Yeah that's the one I was talking about. Fascinating stuff Blue

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This is an excellent post. May I add one key ingredient? As they've floundered, their competition has strengthened. You point out City, but let's add Liverpool -- long-tenured manager with a specific style and way of playing. And money. Let's add Arsenal -- a manager who could have been jettisoned but they've stuck with him and improved. And they have some money. There's Toon -- they have tons of money but more important, plenty of patience. There's Spurs. They're -- well -- Spurs, but at least as good this year as they have been in a while, and even if you think they'll Spurs themselves as usual, they have one important high-quality asset Utd doesn't -- a beautiful brand new ground which can be leveraged for revenue-making opportunities. Perhaps we should talk about Villa too, or Brighton, though these may be flashes in the pan. Does anyone think Chelsea won't eventually be back with their money? Brentford and Palace -- two London based clubs with at least a modicum of ambition and capital sit as assets waiting to be levered too albeit FFP starts to bite any major ambition.

All these clubs will have ups and downs, but never again will Utd have one competitor at a time. The monopoly/duopoly has been shattered for good.

In short, no objective observer would look at their current failures in a one-club vacuum . . . but they do! Here's how I know: there's no way on EARTH the Glazers proforma 7th place or whatever as a potential outcome when they run their anticipated cash flow and earnings models. If they did, they'd have sold the club a few weeks back in an instant. It's not just the delusion in their past and present that's at issue -- it's delusion about their future, a future in which they have better-financed, better-managed business organiz(s)ations in their own league which have and will continue to translate into better pitch performance for an extended period. Only they are so far up their own asses ("But . . . but . . . but . . . this is MANCHESTER UNITED we're talking about!") they make decisions based on this wonderful phrase @SkyBlueFlux came up with -- "presumptive exceptionalism."

Spot-on. United have been so fixated on City (on the pitch and off the pitch with their dirty tricks campaign against us) they have allowed a group of other clubs to overtake them.

 

[He’stheleftbackremember]

I’m sure it’s Paul Nolan on Radio 5 Live right now.

This time he’s ‘Mikey’.

Hilarious

I heard that, made me laugh. Doesn’t sound any different.

 

[nmc]

And this folks is why artificial stupidity is wrong in so many ways.

Edited for accuracy

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before on this thread, but it's a very interesting video by James Lawrence Allcott.

This is very, very good. I could sort of see it happening but couldn't work out what it was and this explains it perfectly. It also explains why the G/A stuff isn't the best metric to be judging Grealish on at the moment and why Pep loves him so much.