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They had the ball in our net 5 times & if isn’t was for Gigi and the woodwork it would would have been more. They were better than us in every part of the pitch. Probably their strongest 11 whilst we had 9 players absent. They set up to beat is with a low block & fast transition & they had the pace to do it well.
What pissed me off was we did not match their desire, for me that’s on the players
They will NEVER have a better opportunity to inflict a humiliating result against us that would be spoke and sung about for years.

Our back 4 yesterday was the worst we have had since long before the takeover - Utd will never play against a weaker City back 4 ever again. Thats fact.

If there is one positive it’s that we got away with a 2-0 yesterday.

However, the lack of desire and energy from the rest of the team is a huge concern. If they can’t muster it for a derby then when can they.
 
Sycophantic claptrap. He's the only City manager to have been in charge when we met the rags in a Cup final. That's through luck of the draw.

As for the two hat-trick scorers, it's interesting to note that neither of them are exactly tipping up trees at the moment.

Like Pep and his tactics, they're looking very stale. Time for Pep to change our style of play or bugger off and let someone else have a go.
Likely comes under the heading of be careful what you wish for.
I’m 62 and, assuming I’ve got a few years left yet, when you get your wish, and Pep’s gone, there’s a very good chance I’ll never see us lift another trophy. And, given the last 10 years, I’m fine with that.
 
Fucking hell, first time I've heard Barnes called "incredible". But it's a different game now. That team didn't have to break down a 10 man defence.

We won ONE trophy in the 70's, ironically against the team we've just put 3 past to be on the verge of another final in the same comp which would bring us our 19th trophy under Pep.

I do think we should be punting the ball in more or having a go at defenders more, both were booked early yesterday so I would have liked to see Doku and Semenyo running at them. Sooner or later one of them would have got hooked and it would have changed the game.
Your option on Barnesy which is fine, what about Denis? We cause a 10 man defence due to our walking style of attack.
 
I'm not saying you are wrong, but was yesterday not that day? The players wouldn't run through a paper bag yesterday and looked like they didn't give a bollocks.

Too many occasions over the last 18 months alot of the same players just aren't putting the effort in and the same players aren't putting it in for the manager.

You can't conflate last season with this one when the team is so dramatically different. You also can't discount the fact that due to AFCON and injuries he's been using the same 14 players for 7 weeks or so. Yesterday was terrible, there's absolutely no escaping that. But I'm talking about the season as a whole, which is absolutely trending in the right direction and the team is improving in front of our eyes.

Last season was an anomaly and the recruitment in the last 12 months shows that the club have acted on it in aggressive fashion, because they know that they had left it too late. There's just no question for me that Pep is going nowhere.
 
Likely comes under the heading of be careful what you wish for.
I’m 62 and, assuming I’ve got a few years left yet, when you get your wish, and Pep’s gone, there’s a very good chance I’ll never see us lift another trophy. And, given the last 10 years, I’m fine with that.

Don't think the OP will take any notice, he's clearly decided that Pep is the problem, irrespective of whatever other circumstances exist.

No point banging against a locked door.
 
Sorry but I think that's over the top. I know it hurts after a result like this, and a lot of people are making similar comments but you're normally one that offers the more considered opinions.

The drama queens on here don't realise it yet but this is and always will be the best period in our history., If anybody thinks somebody is going to come in and emulate Pep's success they're mistaken at best and deluded at worst.

Most will openly admit that we don't have the players that we once had, the ones that have brought us 18 - EIGHTEEN - trophies during his time here.

Let that sink in for a minute.

We don't have those players, yet we're second in the league, should qualify for the next phase of the CL, as near as damn it in the final of the Carabou and put 10 past a team to get to the next round of the FAC. Virtually every other club dreams of having a squad capable of that. Yet despite not having the same class of players everyone goes into meltdown after a bad spell or even a bad result.

We don't know what difference losing Bernstein has had. There's no doubt that regardless of how good he may be at his job, Viana will have different ideas about the players he and his team want to bring in to what Txiki had. But I don't think the players we have a a "huge downgrade" at all and our current status suggests I'm right. I think Cherki is good enough to reach world class status, I think Khusanov is too, and if you look at the back history of the players we've brought in they are all high quality players, but it takes time and it's extremely difficult when there are constant injuries.

We can't get a settled team as a result, we have players playing out of position and we have little, if any, recovery time. All these on their own are small issues but when compounded you get what we are seeing now. As I've said I thought we were unlucky v Chelsea, Sunderland fought like no team I've seen for a long time and the Brighton match wasn't easy either yet we came through unbeaten, put 3 past Newcastle away in a crucial match and 10 past Exeter. we're second in the table and in 4 competitions. Is it really that bad or are we just expecting too much?
A solid, calm, passionate voice of reason. Thank you.

If the good times ended now I’d still die a happy man. A very happy man. This manager and this club have given us sights that no other football fan in England has ever been able to see:

- the only domestic treble.
- the only domestic quadruple
- the only 100 point season
- the only European treble as a league champion
- the highest number of league goals in a season
- the best defensive record in a season
- the highest number of consecutive wins.
- we got to see prime David silva, prime Aguero, prime KDB, prime Bernardo, and others, who all committed the best years of their careers to this club.
- and all of the above and more were achieved DESPITE being the target of a decades long, racist smear campaign designed to bury this football club.


I have never, and will never, forgotten Pep’s press conference right after the charges were announced. Journalists from all over the world descended on the etihad, pens in hand, ready to write the eulogy of this football club, and this manager. Over 100 years of existence and they were coming to announce its end. They weren’t even all sports journalists. Newspapers and media outlets sent their “serious” reporters to pen the poison that was going to eradicate our club from existence. And then Pep turned up and fucking gave it to them in no uncertain terms. He showed them he has a backbone, and he showed the club, the players, the execs, and the fans, that they had bitten off more than they could chew if they thought they were going to destroy our club.
And then he calmly went about his business winning a treble. From a position that wasn’t a million miles away from where we find ourselves today.

I love this club more after days like yesterday. Sometimes a team puts on a shit performance. That’s always happened and always will. Remember the 50th anniversary derby at old Trafford? We were lined up as sacrificial lambs to the slaughter, our fans told before the game that they were scum who were going to disrupt the minutes silence. We all know how that timed out.

Yesterday was shit, but shit happens sometimes.
The memories of the good times more than outweigh days like yesterday.
 
Sycophantic claptrap. He's the only City manager to have been in charge when we met the rags in a Cup final. That's through luck of the draw.

As for the two hat-trick scorers, it's interesting to note that neither of them are exactly tipping up trees at the moment.

Like Pep and his tactics, they're looking very stale. Time for Pep to change our style of play or bugger off and let someone else have a go.
Prick
 
Playing devil's advocate, yesterday was quite alarming then when it comes to the part I've highlighted in bold.

Well sure. If you look at that performance in isolation. But we don't need to play devils advocate. We've played 22 league games and across those games by whatever metric you want to use, City have outrun their opponents, have done the most pressing, have basically been the most intense team in the league. Yesterday was fucking woeful, but yesterday was the exception not the rule.
 
It's f*****g crazy, you buy a player because you like what they do then you coach it out of them what's the point.
This turgid walking style is driving me nuts,when I started going in the mid 70s we had the king of all geordies and Peter Barnes and they were incredible.I was so pleased to see we were signing a lightning quick winger who will take players on and either goes past or cut inside and get you out of your seat as after all its an entertainment business. I feel sorry for Erling just imagine how many goals he would score it we played to his strengths, I want to see him collect the ball deeper and just run at defenders and then have a one on one with the goalie now that's entertainment not this turgid s**t.
We also had a manager who would switch flanks for the wingers Tueart & Barnes during the game .
Why wouldnt he do it yesterday to get their fullbacks out of their comfort zone ?
When Semenyo was switched to the left during the Newcastle game he looked a lot more dangerous & effective .
 
You can't conflate last season with this one when the team is so dramatically different. You also can't discount the fact that due to AFCON and injuries he's been using the same 14 players for 7 weeks or so. Yesterday was terrible, there's absolutely no escaping that. But I'm talking about the season as a whole, which is absolutely trending in the right direction and the team is improving in front of our eyes.

Last season was an anomaly and the recruitment in the last 12 months shows that the club have acted on it in aggressive fashion, because they know that they had left it too late. There's just no question for me that Pep is going nowhere.
I agree that there is a marked improvement on last year and I wasnt expecting us to win the title this year..hoep yes but in reality wasnt expecting it to happen.

I like the aggressive way we have gone about business in the transfer market - especially this winter

I think Guehi is a win before he even steps on the pitch...Palace captain therefore leader - played for a team where he has been expected to fight for everything as well

Semenyo - time will tell - decent player but I think he will take time to develop some aspects of his game where we are facing packed defensces - there will be games against opposition which really go for us (say in the CL) where he does get that space wher he could be really useful however.

I do think some of the transfers have been questionable - Marmoush doesnt seem to fit...I think he is a great player dont get me wrong but I dont think he fits anywhere if Haaland is playing...he aint a 10 like cherki and Im not sure he is that effective from wide positions.

RAN will be one to watch as well - we aint seen much of him but the little Ive seen it aint looked good. But he needs time.

The lack of right back is still an issue..yes Nunes has done well (thats down to Pep) but we shouldnt be in a position where one injury means we are relying on Rico Lewis playing there - whether people think he is good enough or not he aint played there baring the first two games of the season I think.

Reijnders at present looks like a poor transfer - techincal skill undoubted but not sure he has the attitude needed
 
Bottom line... It was a fucking Manchester derby and our ridiculously overpaid manager and players (other than Donnarumma and Khusanov), collectively shat their pants.

Totally unacceptable. An insult to all proper City fans.
Absolutely mate.
Pep's never fully understood the importance of the Derby to City fans. Its just another game to him. To us it's much more.
Great point. Mancini was the total opposite.
 
It was definitely the worst day to play the Rags. Everything was just perfect for them.

4 weeks earlier before Amorim got the sack, and we would have battered United.
 

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