Everyone looks shot, these guys have been playing non stop for the last 4 years and yet again no break this coming summer.
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United (a) post-match thread
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OB1
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Yesterday was somewhat symptomatic of City's season, in the league at least: City have been playing for second place for quite some time. The main causes of that have been done to death (injuries, VAR, key players losing form) but the psychological aspect when there are so many games in a short space of time has possibly led to players trying to do enough to stay in second place whilst saving themselves for other competitions.
The team has the larger issue that they continue to fail to make the most of the attacking opportunities they create and play in a way that means that if teams manage to break on them, they get the space to create good chances to score against us.
The Rags defended well and got opportunities to break but the truth is they didn't put in a single shot that our number one choice keeper should not have saved. Eddie made three horrific errors and whilst he doesn't for me make enough brilliant shot stopping saves, he is not prone many rickets and we should cast yesterday as one to forget for him.
What is most disappointing id that the players could not find it in themselves to raise their game to its highest standards for a Derby. Sure Pep could have picked a stronger side but they should have done better. they still forced the enemy to play a defensive game at home so whilst the battle was lost, the war is still going City's way but summer surgery will be required to ensure the gap does not close.
The team has the larger issue that they continue to fail to make the most of the attacking opportunities they create and play in a way that means that if teams manage to break on them, they get the space to create good chances to score against us.
The Rags defended well and got opportunities to break but the truth is they didn't put in a single shot that our number one choice keeper should not have saved. Eddie made three horrific errors and whilst he doesn't for me make enough brilliant shot stopping saves, he is not prone many rickets and we should cast yesterday as one to forget for him.
What is most disappointing id that the players could not find it in themselves to raise their game to its highest standards for a Derby. Sure Pep could have picked a stronger side but they should have done better. they still forced the enemy to play a defensive game at home so whilst the battle was lost, the war is still going City's way but summer surgery will be required to ensure the gap does not close.
Manc Born & Bred
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FFS it's as bad as Klipperty making his players do that stupid thing they do in Germany after they drew with WBAhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-deserved-roaring-adulation-21656521
Mentions it on the first couple of paragraphs.
Can't stop laughing.
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I hope it’s the former: the latter would finish me off with football for ever for I live watching that kid.Was Eddie pissed or on the take?
All well and good; doesn’t mean playing Derby’s without any spirit
got to remember mate the players are not like us fans, only a select few(vinnie, zabba etc) will actually get it like we do, i'm not saying they were not trying, they clearly were but any % drop off will hurt you at this level, the game as a stand alone one in this season where the title has gone and top 4 is pretty much assured meant a lot more to them as underdogs than it did to us(players)
Was thinking the same myself, wondering if I should bother dragging myself out on Wednesday?
You'll be there. All true supporters go to every home game they can. However if you want/need some motivation think about those of us who have to travel a long way and find money for overnight stays. If we can go so can you. Also some of us consider ourselves fortunate enough to have a seasoncard to let us watch top players week in week out so we make sure we maximise these opportunities because that's what they are.
Here endeth the lesson. Give me a wave at the Arsenal game. :)
SilverFox2
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You could be right.Think your definition of loyal is questionable.
Certainly our history suggests our loyal supporters are exactly that so will suffer any form of player or management non performance.
Please substitute some for my unfortunate choice of loyal.
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To your second point, Foden may well have given the midfield the verve it lacked. As to your third, funny you should say that, I had a bad feeling for the season when I saw that kit in the summer.Just lost to a team coached by the mental equivalent of Rain Man.
Without Kevin we are as useless as a Mendy cross.
I hate this season. I blame Puma.
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got to remember mate the players are not like us fans, only a select few(vinnie, zabba etc) will actually get it like we do, i'm not saying they were not trying, they clearly were but any % drop off will hurt you at this level, the game as a stand alone one in this season where the title has gone and top 4 is pretty much assured meant a lot more to them as underdogs than it did to us(players)
I don’t disagree with any of that, it still doesn’t make it acceptable to go out and play in that manner. It’s short changing the fans. You can’t say well the titles gone therefor we will be half arsed in our remaining league games. Not good enough.
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If you asked me to manage a side that played City, I'd say keep it tight and when you win the ball attack Otamendi/Zin side and hit balls over and around the pairing of Fernandinho and Otamendi. That's what happened. On the footballing front the press are lapping it up. The possession shite is thrown in our face when we lose, but they fail to point out injuries or that we're miles ahead in the league with nothing to play for.
United fans "we had more shots"
If you don't think possession is important, shots stats can be skewed too. Both keepers had 4 saves each. Ours had an error. The united defence had to make 33 clearances. Ours had to clear 8.
Bailly who came on very late as sub made 4 clearances. That's the same as our entire back 4 all game (they made 4 clearances of the 5).
But United had more determination, or was it luck. Or a bit of both. Don't take their win away from them but to suggest they are a better team than us is silly. Have their moment - hopefully we can get past Newcastle, and knock them out in the cup again.
United fans "we had more shots"
If you don't think possession is important, shots stats can be skewed too. Both keepers had 4 saves each. Ours had an error. The united defence had to make 33 clearances. Ours had to clear 8.
Bailly who came on very late as sub made 4 clearances. That's the same as our entire back 4 all game (they made 4 clearances of the 5).
But United had more determination, or was it luck. Or a bit of both. Don't take their win away from them but to suggest they are a better team than us is silly. Have their moment - hopefully we can get past Newcastle, and knock them out in the cup again.
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Fucking rags at work saying they outplayed us! Where they watching a different fucking game, I hate losing a derby when I have to put up with this shit.
jitsubluedan
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Nothing to do with moaning, it's been a difficult season and in league terms very disappointing.
A derby is still a big game at least for the fans, yesterday our team looked disinterested and unmotivated our manager included.
To me that is unacceptable.
^^^^^ This all day long.
Losing to that shower of sh*te not once, but three times this season is unacceptable. in All three games we looked like we weren’t that bothered about the end result.
Being born and bred in Manchester, any derby loss is hard to take and whilst the team might think they have nothing to play for in terms of the league, they should at least raise their game for their fans when playing against their local rivals. it matters to US.
I do wonder if the players lack of association to Manchester is the issue. As someone else has already pointed out getting fired up for a derby was never a problem with Zabba and Vinny in or around the team.
George Hannah
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We've been here before - 10 years ago. As others have already said a scum league double over us is unacceptable and we deserved nothing else. The scales should have fallen from everyone's eyes - our team now is a pale shadow of last season's. No energy on the flanks, sluggish midfield and defensively inept - Fern was again the only one who emerged with credit.
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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In a parallel universe, we won the game and it hasn't been mentioned once.........Anyone got any radio stations that don't mention the derby every 5 minutes?
gorton guvnor
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What a tepid performance that was. Could see early doors what was coming. No legs no leaders and no steel. Frightening how the form of some of them has tailed off, time for a refresh which is easier said than done. In the 4 games v that shower of shite we’ve played well for 45 minutes which says it all
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Of cause i'll be there, whick block are you in?You'll be there. All true supporters go to every home game they can. However if you want/need some motivation think about those of us who have to travel a long way and find money for overnight stays. If we can go so can you. Also some of us consider ourselves fortunate enough to have a seasoncard to let us watch top players week in week out so we make sure we maximise these opportunities because that's what they are.
Here endeth the lesson. Give me a wave at the Arsenal game. :)
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Yes I have no problem with not prioritising the league, just secure top four in case we beat the ban. There are two games left that the fans wanted to win in the the league. One was yesterday and the other is Liverpool. Yesterday we failed miserably.
We'll fail miserably against the dips too, that game will be treated much the same as yesterday.
I don’t disagree with any of that, it still doesn’t make it acceptable to go out and play in that manner. It’s short changing the fans. You can’t say well the titles gone therefor we will be half arsed in our remaining league games. Not good enough.
its not acceptable, never has and never will be, and its not until they get beat in this manner and see the fallout that they might understand what it means.
i'm not saying they wern't trying to win because they clearly were, but the underdog had that extra edge and but for a couple of lapses of concentration i couldn't see them scoring
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One other thing to add. What the fuck was our set piece routines? Clearly it was as if they’d been worked on but were absolutely terrible every time.
^^^^^ This all day long.
Losing to that shower of sh*te not once, but three times this season is unacceptable. in All three games we looked like we weren’t that bothered about the end result.
Being born and bred in Manchester, any derby loss is hard to take and whilst the team might think they have nothing to play for in terms of the league, they should at least raise their game for their fans when playing against their local rivals. it matters to US.
I do wonder if the players lack of association to Manchester is the issue. As someone else has already pointed out getting fired up for a derby was never a problem with Zabba and Vinny in or around the team.
I'm not sure if it is the players or the manager, to be honest. Pep's team selection this year has been strange at times. I mean Zinchenko and Cancelo? where did that come from? Zinchenko has hardly played recently and Cancelo is still finding his feet but Pep brings them in for an important game like this? clearly Pep doesn't get the importance of derby day otherwise he would have picked a stronger team. Having said that if he did this to keep players fit for R. Madrid and it works out then it was a good call, wasn't it? I know we are 2nd and this season hasn't been a complete failure but something hasn't sat right with me at all this year. Maybe it was the FFP thing hanging over us I don't know but I feel that someone took their foot off the gas in the summer. Missed signings, failure to replace our biggest influence on the pitch, Vinnie. Is Pep going? I genuinely think he is, look at Sterling, for example, it has been rumored that he won't commit his long term future until Pep commits his.