United and Liverpool EFL project - proposal rejected

mexico1970 said:
Red Cafe almost to a man hating the proposals, this creature from the pack getting rounded on by all and sundry.
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will be another armchair plastic that 'chose' their allegiance based on their success & has never set foot in the country let alone OT,they can try all they want but they will never ever understand the English game....
 
crazyg said:
In a football league that was founded in England in 1888, the word "always" is relatively meaningless. I think you will find that the "big clubs" around at the league's foundation were not the same ones 20, 40, 60 etc years later, as football has always been cyclical in mature. The term "sugar daddy" was loitering around over 100 years ago,(and certainly well before the Emirate states came into existence) with it's meaning generally referring to rich benefactors injecting money into clubs they supported. Surprisingly, the more money injected, the more successful a team would be. As Werner von Braun once famously said "it's hardly rocket science!"
In the mid 60s a mid table Second Division club literally "won the pools", and were bankrolled by Littlewoods. For the next 20 years, they outspent everybody, and cleaned up on the silverware. Then clubs floated on the Stock Exchange and raised vast amounts of capital. This enabled them to flourish. The "big clubs" then managed to con/vince the rest of the division to form the Premier League with only 20 clubs AND keep the home gate receipts - great if you have a big ground, which they did.
At around the same time, UEFA decided to reformat their own competitions, and invited the top/big teams to complete in their biggest competition.
This meant that for around 15 years, the same 4 teams. with odd exceptions, received around £25M per year more than the other 16 teams. Now these big clubs will always be big clubs, as they can buy better players to retain their place in the trough, sorry, on the gravy train.
What could possibly go wrong?

(To be continued.)
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www.myfootballfacts.com

Seasons in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs 1888-89 to 2024-25 - My Football Facts

My Football Facts > England Footy > English Football League > Teams that Played in Top Flight Seasons Spent in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs from 1888-89 to 2024-25 Table showing the Total Number of Seasons Clubs played in the Top Flight of English football from 1888-89 to...
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In the link above it lists the years in the top division. The top 9 are remarkably similar to the new proposed "big 9", I think its just swap West Ham for Villa and we're there. That backs up my earlier statement that the big clubs have always been big, how big varies over time. Spurs are somehow part of the big 6, its like we snuck in one morning while security were napping and nobody has asked us to leave. Liverpool are calling the shots in this new proposal, 10 years ago they would have been finding out about it at the same time as West Ham. Man Utd are shit but by sheer size they will always be involved in the conversation.

Success is cyclical but size isn't, only terrible Sunderland type management can keep the big clubs away from the top table for too long.
 
Centurions said:
Chelsea allegedly left the meeting on Thursday stating that they weren't happy with (some of?) the proposals.

I wouldn't be so keen to 2nd guess Arsenal let alone us. Strange how some fans are happy to think the worst of the club before they've commented on it.
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The feelings towards Arsenal are surely based upon their actions in the past .
 
johnevans said:
Open note to The Sheik, Khaldoon, Soriano et al.. maybe you’ll read this or one of your colleagues may pick it up and pass it on to you, along with the comments of almost every other City supporter on here, whatever their age and so on.. :

Please do NOT get involved with this dreadful scheme concocted by United, Liverpool and Parry.

In the 60 years since I was first taken to Maine Road, I have, like the rest of my family, been Blue. I’ve witnessed first hand incredible highs (from the title win at Newcastle to ‘Aguero-o-o!’ to 100 points to the Quadruple) and desperate lows (from my first relegation in 62-63 to the Swales era to going down at The Britannia to having the double done over us by (fair play to them!) Wycombe Wanderers)

During that time I’ve also witnessed the behaviour of Manchester United..
- the dreadful treatment of its staff post-Munich
- the financial shenanigans that secured them World Cup ground status in 1966 ahead of City (Maine Road had 32000 seats in place, cf United’s 18000 and both grounds were equidistant from the City centre..)
- the financial shenanigans that got the first cantilever stand built
- the strong arming of other clubs in the 90s to change levies and gate receipts procedures in their favour
- the steady accretion of power post-creation of the Premier League, all at the expense of other clubs
- the general arrogance of the club and some of its followers as they mopped up honours and money and power
- its manipulation of the media to its own ends
- its involvement in undermining our club via FFP and the ‘legal’ processes which followed on from that
- and so on and so and so on..

And during that time I’ve also witnessed the behaviour of Liverpool..
- its feral fans leading the charge in hooligan behaviour from the early 60s onwards
- the accretion of power post-creation of the Premier League, as with United above
- Heysel and all of its consequences
- the stoning of our team’s bus
- the illegal hacking of our club’s computer systems
- its manipulation of the media and other clubs
- its involvement in undermining our club via FFP etc, as with United
- its cultish arrogance and the pandering from the media which buoys up the whole organisation
- its treatment of local neighbours, buying up and running down properties to further its pursuit of a bigger stadium
- applying for furlough money
- and so on and so on and so on..

I know you guys have a business to run. I know that you have to do everything you must to maintain and secure that business, now and in the future. But believe me, and I know you know this already, these people cannot be trusted; nor will their tawdry scheme, with its naked power-grab at the expense of the rest of football, do anything but harm to the game/industry here in England.

Please, please stay away from these people. Work openly and in the correct spirit with the rest of the football family to resolve the issues and problems facing the game/industry. Offer to help or to lead where it’s appropriate. Be a supportive follower when that is required, too. The end result will be so much better for all concerned and football will thank you.

Just do the right thing, City..
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This to be the most liked post in the history of Bluemoon
 
johnevans said:
Open note to The Sheik, Khaldoon, Soriano et al.. maybe you’ll read this or one of your colleagues may pick it up and pass it on to you, along with the comments of almost every other City supporter on here, whatever their age and so on.. :

Please do NOT get involved with this dreadful scheme concocted by United, Liverpool and Parry.

In the 60 years since I was first taken to Maine Road, I have, like the rest of my family, been Blue. I’ve witnessed first hand incredible highs (from the title win at Newcastle to ‘Aguero-o-o!’ to 100 points to the Quadruple) and desperate lows (from my first relegation in 62-63 to the Swales era to going down at The Britannia to having the double done over us by (fair play to them!) Wycombe Wanderers)

During that time I’ve also witnessed the behaviour of Manchester United..
- the dreadful treatment of its staff post-Munich
- the financial shenanigans that secured them World Cup ground status in 1966 ahead of City (Maine Road had 32000 seats in place, cf United’s 18000 and both grounds were equidistant from the City centre..)
- the financial shenanigans that got the first cantilever stand built
- the strong arming of other clubs in the 90s to change levies and gate receipts procedures in their favour
- the steady accretion of power post-creation of the Premier League, all at the expense of other clubs
- the general arrogance of the club and some of its followers as they mopped up honours and money and power
- its manipulation of the media to its own ends
- its involvement in undermining our club via FFP and the ‘legal’ processes which followed on from that
- and so on and so and so on..

And during that time I’ve also witnessed the behaviour of Liverpool..
- its feral fans leading the charge in hooligan behaviour from the early 60s onwards
- the accretion of power post-creation of the Premier League, as with United above
- Heysel and all of its consequences
- the stoning of our team’s bus
- the illegal hacking of our club’s computer systems
- its manipulation of the media and other clubs
- its involvement in undermining our club via FFP etc, as with United
- its cultish arrogance and the pandering from the media which buoys up the whole organisation
- its treatment of local neighbours, buying up and running down properties to further its pursuit of a bigger stadium
- applying for furlough money
- and so on and so on and so on..

I know you guys have a business to run. I know that you have to do everything you must to maintain and secure that business, now and in the future. But believe me, and I know you know this already, these people cannot be trusted; nor will their tawdry scheme, with its naked power-grab at the expense of the rest of football, do anything but harm to the game/industry here in England.

Please, please stay away from these people. Work openly and in the correct spirit with the rest of the football family to resolve the issues and problems facing the game/industry. Offer to help or to lead where it’s appropriate. Be a supportive follower when that is required, too. The end result will be so much better for all concerned and football will thank you.

Just do the right thing, City..
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