United thread 2013/14 (continued)

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List of players utd wanted to sign....
Fabregas
Sneijder
Cavani
Bale
Schweinstieger
Ronaldo
Thiago
Ozil
Modric
Pogba
Baines
Vidal
Lewondowski
Reus
Bender
Fellaini

List of players utd actually signed...
Fellaini
Mata

List of players wanting to sign for utd....
.......
.........
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I call bullshit!
 
spanishblue said:
Lancet Fluke said:
It is easy to forget in all the hilarity that Mourinho was desperate to take over from ferguson yet for some preposterous reason they instead chose to overlook him and give Moyes a 30 million quid contract. Personally I find that utterly mind boggling.

Didn't the ticket tout have his say? And he didn't want the eye gouger
I don't buy this stuff that Mourinho wouldn't have suited their image, it would have provided them with the perfect continuity swapping one bullying **** for another. For some reason they thought they would go for the continuity of "being Scottish" instead.
 
ArdwickBlue said:
denislawsbackheel said:
Ah poor boy, Cleverley doesn't like it up him...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9160886/tom-cleverley-im-scapegoat-for-manchester-uniteds-struggles" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... -struggles</a>

Poor little love

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who's going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane."

What else is his job if not beating players, scoring or tackling?

"I watch Spanish football a lot, If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them."

Ahh, OK, that clears that up then.

Is anyone's 'Job' at nitid to go round beating three or players > they cant even beat three or four when they cross it.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
supercrystal7 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Let me tell you about this squad that is as good as any in the PL. Around Christmas time I was talking to a journalist who covers the Manchester clubs for one of the big papers. I've known this guy for some time and our families go back even further. Him (and some other journalists) had been briefed by club insiders about Moyes' plans for the squad. Of that established squad, there were 6 names considered not good enough.

Obviously Anderson was one, along with Valencia, Young & Nani. At the back Smalling and Jones were considered too limited and hadn't developed sufficiently. Moyes and Ferdinand don't speak after Rio lost his rag with Moyes, who told him he should aspire to be Phil Jagielka. Camelgob reeled off what he'd won and said to Moyes "Now - what the fuck have you & Phil Jagielka won?" In addition, Cleverley has been given another season to prove himself or he's out the door as well.

Of the new players Zaha simply didn't train well enough so they fucked him off and then there's Fellaini. When they train, they have two 'keep ball' circles with the technically better players in one and the others in the second. Fellaini apparently can't even reach the standard of the latter circle he is so poor technically. And that's what they paid £27.5m for (which is more than we paid for Silva, Nasri or Yaya). Evra would like to stay but there's no word one way or the other from the club.

So this squad now seems to consist of Rafael, Evans, Buttner, possibly Evra, Varela (who hasn't played), Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini, Cleverley (who's on a last chance), Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Welbeck, Hernadez and RVP.

And of those, Kagawa, Hernandez and van Persie are very unhappy, particularly the latter. That's your squad of "champions".
This just shows the lack of class and professionalism that Moyes has. A manager should not be briefing journalist information like that and either should the club. It should all be kept in house.
That's not the way things work though in practice. For years, politicians have leaked stuff and briefed journalists to ensure various outcomes, be that trailing policy announcements, talking themselves up or sticking the knife in their enemies.

From a football club's point of view, they manage the media for various reasons. In this case, it sets the agenda for a clear-out and prepares the fans so that they expect it when it actually happens. It also protects Moyes' back to a degree as it tries to imply that he's inherited a squad that isn't good enough and that's why it's underperforming. And mostly people have bought that, with very few questioning the fact it's the same squad that won the title last season. And the media tend to run this stuff because they know that if they play ball, they'll get more good stuff. No one actually reported it like that. some names were mentioned, such as Nani and Young but they weren't exactly surprises.

I know that, at City for example, we had to sell SWP in 2005 as he was the only saleable asset we had and we were skint. Almost as soon as the 2004/5 season drew to a close, the stories started about Chelsea's interest. These came from the club, in order to prepare the ground for his sale so by the time it happened, most fans were expecting it. I believe they were also briefing that he'd been advised to move by his dad. I'm no fan of Ian Wright but he was actaully telling him to stay another season so he's be sure of getting in the World Cup squad.

Something else they used to do was that any story involving the then CEO, had the words "...highly regarded Chief Executive...". This was to build uop his image in the press as he knew Thaksin wanted rid of him. This also led to loads of stories disparaging Thaksin.
It depends on how well things are going. When things were going well at United with Ferguson in charge so many things did not make the press. A while back I used to hear a lot of bad things about one of their current young players. Bad trainer, poor attitude and often late. None of this ever got out in the papers and whenever he was 'dropped' for disciplinary reasons it was said he was injured. Constant leaks to the papers are nearly always a sign of infighting or as you said a desire to knife someone in the back.

There is a difference though between say Chelsea leaking that Mourinho does not fancy Mata or Luiz etc and what Moyes is doing. Moyes has gone way too far bad mouthing the players in what has been 'leaked.' It's got to the point where a number of players have started going public with their own digs at him.

The same way clubs can protect players like they can also destroy players. I won't give the name of the player, because he is out of the game a very good friend. He had failed to make it in England mostly due to injuries, but got a chance in one of the smaller leagues abroad. He had a great start and really got on well with his manager. Manager did well and got a move to a bigger club. New manager came in and there was a serious clash of personalities. Lots of arguments on the training pitch. The thing is the fans loved my mate, because of his 'English' attitude. He would always give everything and get stuck in. The day before a big relegation game he got into another big fight with the manager. My mate was no saint, but always gave everything for the club. You could even argue he probably deserved to be dropped for what he said. Manager drops him from the game, tells him not to turn up and bars him from the team hotel. My mate is fuming and I happened to be visiting him. We both decide to go out for a night out. Probably stupid and ill advised, but he was barred from the team hotel and not part of the squad. Next day pictures come out of him partying. Local headlines all about the English lout who does not care and would rather get drunk. My mate rarely drinks and had nothing that day. Manager comes out after they lost blaming him. Says that the tactics were ruined, because he was forced to change things after my mate was disciplined for a late night. Paper reads how he screwed the team over etc. Fan opinion of him changed, was hated and the club were able to terminate his contract. He does not speak the language well, had no contacts and his career is ruined.

Sorry for the rant, but as you said Moyes is using the press to deflect attention away from his failings. The press are lapping it up for two major reasons; 1. it gives them stories to sell the papers, 2 they need a British manager to succeed and like Moyes.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
spanishblue said:
Lancet Fluke said:
It is easy to forget in all the hilarity that Mourinho was desperate to take over from ferguson yet for some preposterous reason they instead chose to overlook him and give Moyes a 30 million quid contract. Personally I find that utterly mind boggling.

Didn't the ticket tout have his say? And he didn't want the eye gouger
I don't buy this stuff that Mourinho wouldn't have suited their image, it would have provided them with the perfect continuity swapping one bullying **** for another. For some reason they thought they would go for the continuity of "being Scottish" instead.

Mourinho would have demanded squillions to rebuild the side. The Glazers weren't prepared to spend squillions so they followed GPC's advice and went for the safe option of a man whose track record was of making do on a limited budget. So a bit of tinkering (£30 millions worth) in the summer and the title winning side would be good to go. Plus of course GPC's ego would never have extended to hiring a manager who might possibly eclipse, at least partially, his legacy by being too successful.

But it's all backfired beautifully.
 
To be fair, Stretford Ender may be talking some sense here when he says the plan is to finish outside of the Europa League places. The only thing about this master plan that confused me was the reaction to the second goal against Fulham on Sunday.

Then it became clear to me. They wanted to simply SHOW everyone that they could beat these teams whenever they wanted but when the 3 points looked to be in the bag, let Fulham score so that they can stay outside the European places. The same scenario unfolded when Sunderland knocked them out of the League Cup. Moyes knew that if they'd got to the final, they wouldn't have been able to resist silencing us noisy neighbours by giving us a sound thrashing, therefore winning the cup and qualifying for Europe. The way they did it was perfect. They showed the country that they could beat Sunderland but then skied penalty after penalty to ensure a season free of continental distraction next time around. Even their consolation goal at the Etihad was a way of reminding us who are the Daddys.

I reckon the list of World beaters have been made aware of this and hence, didn't want to sign last summer. I can imagine Fabregas, Thiago, Schweinsteiger and the rest when United came in for them...."What?!? They expect me to play in domestic games AND European matches? Do they think I'm stupid? Tell them to finish 7th this season and I'll sign a pre-contract agreement."

If Stretford Ender is right, then may God have mercy on us all because David Moyes is truly a football genius and is prepared to go the long route to proving it.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Lancet Fluke said:
It is easy to forget in all the hilarity that Mourinho was desperate to take over from ferguson yet for some preposterous reason they instead chose to overlook him and give Moyes a 30 million quid contract. Personally I find that utterly mind boggling.
It was because he was a "Manchester United man".
From the same cloth he be cut.
 
laserblue said:
Lancet Fluke said:
spanishblue said:
Didn't the ticket tout have his say? And he didn't want the eye gouger
I don't buy this stuff that Mourinho wouldn't have suited their image, it would have provided them with the perfect continuity swapping one bullying **** for another. For some reason they thought they would go for the continuity of "being Scottish" instead.

Mourinho would have demanded squillions to rebuild the side. The Glazers weren't prepared to spend squillions so they followed GPC's advice and went for the safe option of a man whose track record was of making do on a limited budget. So a bit of tinkering (£30 millions worth) in the summer and the title winning side would be good to go. Plus of course GPC's ego would never have extended to hiring a manager who might possibly eclipse, at least partially, his legacy by being too successful.

But it's all backfired beautifully.

That's what I've been telling people.

The eye gouger wouldn't have been prepared to land in Trafford if he only had a small transfer kitty.

Look at what he's spent at the Kremlin, and the chavs' squad is much better than the rags'.
 
Castiel said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
That's not the way things work though in practice. For years, politicians have leaked stuff and briefed journalists to ensure various outcomes, be that trailing policy announcements, talking themselves up or sticking the knife in their enemies.

From a football club's point of view, they manage the media for various reasons. In this case, it sets the agenda for a clear-out and prepares the fans so that they expect it when it actually happens. It also protects Moyes' back to a degree as it tries to imply that he's inherited a squad that isn't good enough and that's why it's underperforming. And mostly people have bought that, with very few questioning the fact it's the same squad that won the title last season. And the media tend to run this stuff because they know that if they play ball, they'll get more good stuff. No one actually reported it like that. some names were mentioned, such as Nani and Young but they weren't exactly surprises.

I know that, at City for example, we had to sell SWP in 2005 as he was the only saleable asset we had and we were skint. Almost as soon as the 2004/5 season drew to a close, the stories started about Chelsea's interest. These came from the club, in order to prepare the ground for his sale so by the time it happened, most fans were expecting it. I believe they were also briefing that he'd been advised to move by his dad. I'm no fan of Ian Wright but he was actaully telling him to stay another season so he's be sure of getting in the World Cup squad.

Something else they used to do was that any story involving the then CEO, had the words "...highly regarded Chief Executive...". This was to build uop his image in the press as he knew Thaksin wanted rid of him. This also led to loads of stories disparaging Thaksin.
Astonishing that this goes on. Wouldn't it leave him (and all managers) really vulnerable though? If one journalist got some cocky ideas and that was printed it'd piss off a lot of players to the point of mutiny. Or do the media behave for fear of being frozen out permanently? I didn't think clubs would trust them that much especially when you're in that precarious a position. I always assumed journalists had no idea what was going on and were just sniffing through trash cans outside training grounds for information.
It's a dirty world out there mate. There's a symbiotic relationship between journos and clubs. Each rely on the other to a large degree. As a journalist, if you're told something it's generally either on or off the record. If it's on the record, it can be either "You can quote me on that" or "Don't attribute that quote to me" (in which case it's "a club spokesman said..." or similar). You can also be told something is embargoed until some time in the future and woe betide you if you break that embargo.

If it's off the record, then usually you can't use the quote or name the source so usually it's "Sky sources understand..." or done as an opinion piece such as "Moyes is believed to be safe in his job for now" or something even more obtuse.

Some journalists are trusted by clubs so people like Ian Ladyman or Martin Samuel usually have the inside track on things going on at City. There was a deliberate campaign at City after the takeover to get the more responsible journalists onside so they could see what we were trying to do. It's noticeable that the tone of people like Henry Winter and Ollie Holt changed after that. Even David Conn was part of that but David is independently minded and won't hold back from criticising what he feels is wrong.
 
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