United thread 2013/14

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
The Fat el Hombre said:
Lovely jubbly last night! They've got a few easy games coming up though so I'd hang fire a bit, but they're there for the taking and they can easily drop more points again in those easy games
I'm not one for rushing in, but sometimes you've got to take a calculated risk. If you wait for the corpse to go cold it won't taste anywhere near as sweet. That time is now imo, as there's no way that team can overhaul Arsenal, Chelsea or us imo. They are in a three (or four) way fight for fourth at the very best.

Who would have thought after they won the Champions League in 2008, just after we'd got dicked 8-1 by 'Boro that we'd be talking in these terms, but we are. Their fans thought they could lord it over us for ever, mocking and sneering like fucking school kids.

They laughed at the thought of us winning a Trophy, derided us for daring to dream about winning the league, and sneered at the suggestion that we could become a major force in the game.

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Never forget.

Our bad times are now in the past..

Their bad times have already started..

If Rooney is the white Pele,then Wellshite is the black jordan Henderson..
 
supercrystal7 said:
alky313 said:
hertsblue said:
I don't know what to think if i'm honest. The squad is incredibly average so I feel unable to judge Moyes properly.

surely the fact that he has the same squad Ferguson had, added Fellani to it and look at his record compared to Fergusons with the same squad is enough to judge Moyes. And the fact Everton look better without him. Even Wigan won a cup, Swansea too. Everton won nothing under Moyes and all this "done well at Everton despite spending no money" is bullshit as he actually spent quite abit

In fairness the entire squad was RVP. Without him you are nothing. He's not the same player he was last year. At 30 years old with a history of injuries United gambled on an immediate return. Not realizing that they have so many more areas of concern.
Put Mourinho in charge of United and they would be not be doing worse than Chelsea at the moment. If United were to sell RVP, Rooney, De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Kagawa, Nani etc they would all end up in top 10 clubs in Europe to say the least. There squad even with the weaknesses it had should be top 4.

Don't want to get in another debate S.C. but those 3? Nani hasn't been at his best for a long time, Kagawa still hasn't played to his potential in the Premier league and Jones imo just isn't as good as many people think.
 
Blue Hefner said:
jrb said:
After 26 years of continual success, the daft f***ers really are deluded.

Some of them are still convinced they are the same team that won the treble.

The critics and league table would certainly do a fantastic job of deceiving us into thinking United are on some sort of catastrophic decline. But are we really that far off the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid? <a class="postlink" href="http://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do-united-need-to-become-the-best-team-in-the-world.380193/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do- ... ld.380193/</a>

Love this answer - 'a left back'.

So that's it then, once they get Baines they'll motor!

Baines doesnt come across as a player whod go to a lower placed club in all honesty!!
 
jrb said:
After 26 years of continual success, the daft f***ers really are deluded.

Some of them are still convinced they are the same team that won the treble.

The critics and league table would certainly do a fantastic job of deceiving us into thinking United are on some sort of catastrophic decline. But are we really that far off the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid? <a class="postlink" href="http://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do-united-need-to-become-the-best-team-in-the-world.380193/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do- ... ld.380193/</a>
hah they've been far off barca for a few years now, as for bayern, I smile and feel all warm inside when I think of the last time we played the scum, as for bayern...
 
GHoddle said:
There's an interesting thread on Redcafe appraising their current set of players - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-opposition-view-our-squad.380333/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-oppo ... ad.380333/</a>

Most realize that their players are nowhere near as good as they thought, though one did say that Carrick the best central midfielder in the league and Evans is one of the best CBs in the league.
I think their assessment, in general, is still overly generous
 
mad4city said:
Jack the United fan said:
mad4city said:
Sorry Jack,
Martinez still hasn't beaten a top team away!

Haha I think I had the stats mixed up. I think what I meant was Moyes hadn't beaten United at Old Trafford in 11 years, yet his successor does so immediately.

Fair play, mate.
I look at Utd fans and I'm reminded of that film, Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. There's still the odd unaffected one, like yourself, around here & there, but the rest have all been got at by the zombies. (Bear with me, I do have a point here, honest).

For a long while now, the Utd propaganda machine has been getting away with all sorts of stuff & nonsense. The media, happy for a steady stream of tales to peddle to a large unquestioning (zombie-like) audience, have been eager to oblige in relaying and often even enhancing the narrative of how unfailingly wonderful all things Utd are.
For example, as recently as last week, Jeff Stelling, in his Sky website column, was actually urging the world to believe that Moyes had got to grips with the big job and was now getting the best out of Anderson, Fellaini and the rest. What with the backbone of the England team to boot, well... you've got the gist. Nobody - and I do very, very nearly mean, nobody - in the media would have dared write anything else. Certainly, nobody in the media openly questioned it. And Stelling's article is just one of thousands.

Stay awake, I'm nearly at the point!

The thing is that the stuff & nonsense from Utd's PR machine will not stop at anytime soon. In fact, if the downward spiral continues (& it will), it will probably only increase out of desperation. That's begun already. Ed Woodward's rationalisation of the effects of falling out of the top four (quoted earlier in this thread) is the thin end of the wedge. Sure, that can be easily identified by most Utd fans as a realignment of the marketing strategy being prioritised over investment in the squad (they're not that dumb) but what nobody seems to be alarmed by is that he can get away with actually saying it out loud. Can you imagine if Bill Kenright said it was dandy for Everton to just survive and never look for the means to progress? The Toffees would lynch him. But the CEO of Manchester United has just rolled out this acceptance of the inevitability of failure out as the future, without any repercussions to his position.

The problem (yep, we finally got there) for you, sane Utd fans, is that, after decades of being bullshitted, there is no longer a critical vocabulary amongst the overwhelming swathe of Utd "fans" - the zombies, if you will.
But the zombie horde is where the money is!
That lot will swallow whatever they're told as long as a soothing voice reassures them that Utd are really the best, whilst the money men are throwing it into them.

Actually, forget Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, it's far more Orwellian than that.
Your lot are in serious trouble and nobody is going to write that article, nobody will broadcast that truth because there's too much money to be made out of living the lie. Problem, what problem? It's Utd, bestest team in whole world. What are you handful of non-believers on about.
great post mate, I've been saying this for years, its 1984 at the swamp.
 
Just seen the bit from Mr Woodwoodwood. Gold, I think is a fair summary. "It's alright, because we can still sell lots of shirts, just look at Liverpool".

Malcom Glazer is a blue.
 
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