United thread 2013/14

[bluethrunthru]

Really doesn't matter if x is better than y. As Baconface showed, you can have some quite mediocre players but it's the way they play as a team which matters.

Also bully the ref for a few extra poins will help as well.

As did the ability to warp time ha ha ha

would love to know average Fergie time allowed then and average Moyesie time so far - that would be very revealing about refs

 

[foetus]

Aguero>RVP

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a Fernandinho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

Kompany>Vidic.
Aguero>Rooney

Can easily switch it to suit our argument. The moral of the story is that the rags are mediocre and city are an outstanding team.

 

[mac]

Really doesn't matter if x is better than y. As Baconface showed, you can have some quite mediocre players but it's the way they play as a team which matters.

Also bully the ref for a few extra poins will help as well.

As did the ability to warp time ha ha ha

would love to know average Fergie time allowed then and average Moyesie time so far - that would be very revealing about refs

I bought fergies autobiography the other month,but I am struggling to finish it




















Howard Webb keeps adding 6 extra pages.
Top joke from kippax blue.

 

[Marvin]

The little discussion above focuses on Utd's best players - what about the whole squad?

De Gea - great shot stopper, but never comes off his line
Rafael - very talented, but still makes silly mistakes
Evra - slowing up. Good attitude, but he's past his best
Vidic and Ferdinand - Slow!
Evans - very dependable and under-rated
Jones and Smalling - gone backwards. No one knows if they can become Utd's new centre-back pairing
Giggs - 40!
Cleverley - Lightweight
Carrick - 32. One or two more seasons left
Young - Confidence wrecked.
Nani - plays for Nani first and foremost
Valencia - crossing has degenerated
Welbeck - can't score
Hernandez - great finisher, but can't lead the line
RVP and Rooney - World Class but ageing and the best thing is that between then they are on £500k per week.

Sure collectively they are under-performing under Moyes, but in part that is due to lack of confidence after some bad results

However, player for player, Everton and Newcastle were better. They can't reply on Rooney and RVP to lift them every game.

Key game against Villa today. If they win, they have West Ham at home next, and WHU are missing Nolan, Carroll, Downing and Reid...their best 4 players. Ideal opponents at the moment.

 

[supercrystal7]

Aguero>RVP

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a FernandinUnited squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. ho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

I don't see the logic in the above. If there is a media agenda as many believe and Moyes is perceived inept, wouldn't they want to crank up the pressure and get him out of there? Baconface won them 9 points a season through inspirational subs and tactics, he probably won the same amount through intimidation of the officials. RVP's goal vs Newcastle two weeks ago stands if old purple nose was in charge. I agree Moyes is underachieving with an ok side ( midfield aside ) just don't see why the media with an agenda would want to prolong this?

The most important thing for the media and lots of people in football is not whether Manchester United win the league as much as some people here think. A big issue is that British managers are not getting the top jobs in English football. It's to be expected really and some managers are friends of journalist. So it's not just a question of jingoistic fever, but their friends are being overlooked for people they feel are under qualified for the job like say AVB. Moyes is the first British manager to be given a top job in the last 10 years. You could argue for Hodgson getting the Liverpool job, but they were out of the top 4 at the time and had serious trouble with the owners. Hughes was kept in charge at City, but not chosen. It shouldn't be the case, but Moyes' success is going to massively effect British managers. Moyes does a great job and then other British managers will get top jobs. It's the same reason Mark Hughes got so much time from the media, whilst Mancini was constantly slated.

Aguero>RVP

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a Fernandinho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

Kompany>Vidic.
Aguero>Rooney

Can easily switch it to suit our argument. The moral of the story is that the rags are mediocre and city are an outstanding team.

City are an outstanding team and United are a very good team. Even with a poor manager it will eventually come together and I expect no worse than fifth.

 

[AntiUnited]

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a FernandinUnited squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. ho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

I don't see the logic in the above. If there is a media agenda as many believe and Moyes is perceived inept, wouldn't they want to crank up the pressure and get him out of there? Baconface won them 9 points a season through inspirational subs and tactics, he probably won the same amount through intimidation of the officials. RVP's goal vs Newcastle two weeks ago stands if old purple nose was in charge. I agree Moyes is underachieving with an ok side ( midfield aside ) just don't see why the media with an agenda would want to prolong this?

The most important thing for the media and lots of people in football is not whether Manchester United win the league as much as some people here think. A big issue is that British managers are not getting the top jobs in English football. It's to be expected really and some managers are friends of journalist. So it's not just a question of jingoistic fever, but their friends are being overlooked for people they feel are under qualified for the job like say AVB. Moyes is the first British manager to be given a top job in the last 10 years. You could argue for Hodgson getting the Liverpool job, but they were out of the top 4 at the time and had serious trouble with the owners. Hughes was kept in charge at City, but not chosen. It shouldn't be the case, but Moyes' success is going to massively effect British managers. Moyes does a great job and then other British managers will get top jobs. It's the same reason Mark Hughes got so much time from the media, whilst Mancini was constantly slated.

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a Fernandinho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

Kompany>Vidic.
Aguero>Rooney

Can easily switch it to suit our argument. The moral of the story is that the rags are mediocre and city are an outstanding team.

City are an outstanding team and United are a very good team. Even with a poor manager it will eventually come together and I expect no worse than fifth.

Please man i know your a good poster and all that. But UNITED ARE NOT A VERY GOOD TEAM. They are beyond shit.. and finally the luck train has run out for those shows of shit.. mid table fighting with hull for 8,9 spot at the end of the season.

 

[supercrystal7]

I don't see the logic in the above. If there is a media agenda as many believe and Moyes is perceived inept, wouldn't they want to crank up the pressure and get him out of there? Baconface won them 9 points a season through inspirational subs and tactics, he probably won the same amount through intimidation of the officials. RVP's goal vs Newcastle two weeks ago stands if old purple nose was in charge. I agree Moyes is underachieving with an ok side ( midfield aside ) just don't see why the media with an agenda would want to prolong this?

The most important thing for the media and lots of people in football is not whether Manchester United win the league as much as some people here think. A big issue is that British managers are not getting the top jobs in English football. It's to be expected really and some managers are friends of journalist. So it's not just a question of jingoistic fever, but their friends are being overlooked for people they feel are under qualified for the job like say AVB. Moyes is the first British manager to be given a top job in the last 10 years. You could argue for Hodgson getting the Liverpool job, but they were out of the top 4 at the time and had serious trouble with the owners. Hughes was kept in charge at City, but not chosen. It shouldn't be the case, but Moyes' success is going to massively effect British managers. Moyes does a great job and then other British managers will get top jobs. It's the same reason Mark Hughes got so much time from the media, whilst Mancini was constantly slated.

Kompany>Vidic.
Aguero>Rooney

Can easily switch it to suit our argument. The moral of the story is that the rags are mediocre and city are an outstanding team.

City are an outstanding team and United are a very good team. Even with a poor manager it will eventually come together and I expect no worse than fifth.

Please man i know your a good poster and all that. But UNITED ARE NOT A VERY GOOD TEAM. They are beyond shit.. and finally the luck train has run out for those shows of shit.. mid table fighting with hull for 8,9 spot at the end of the season.

I know you are also a good poster and you hate United, but I would call any team that makes top 4 in the Premiership a very good team. S**t teams get relegated.

 

[Marvin]

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a FernandinUnited squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. ho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

I don't see the logic in the above. If there is a media agenda as many believe and Moyes is perceived inept, wouldn't they want to crank up the pressure and get him out of there? Baconface won them 9 points a season through inspirational subs and tactics, he probably won the same amount through intimidation of the officials. RVP's goal vs Newcastle two weeks ago stands if old purple nose was in charge. I agree Moyes is underachieving with an ok side ( midfield aside ) just don't see why the media with an agenda would want to prolong this?

The most important thing for the media and lots of people in football is not whether Manchester United win the league as much as some people here think. A big issue is that British managers are not getting the top jobs in English football. It's to be expected really and some managers are friends of journalist. So it's not just a question of jingoistic fever, but their friends are being overlooked for people they feel are under qualified for the job like say AVB. Moyes is the first British manager to be given a top job in the last 10 years. You could argue for Hodgson getting the Liverpool job, but they were out of the top 4 at the time and had serious trouble with the owners. Hughes was kept in charge at City, but not chosen. It shouldn't be the case, but Moyes' success is going to massively effect British managers. Moyes does a great job and then other British managers will get top jobs. It's the same reason Mark Hughes got so much time from the media, whilst Mancini was constantly slated.

No point arguing over it, but it's a close one. The others like Vidic>Demichelis, De Gea>Hart or Rooney>Negredo are not so debatable. It does not matter much, because City have the best team and squad in the league. However, the United squad is not this joke that the media are trying to tell us. The sole reason they are saying that is to take the pressure off Moyes. United and Chelsea aren't too different when it comes to quality. The difference is the manager. Moyes even had the opportunity to fix their biggest area of concern. Say a Fernandinho/Carrick or a Gustavo/Carrick partnership would have pushed them just behind City.

Kompany>Vidic.
Aguero>Rooney

Can easily switch it to suit our argument. The moral of the story is that the rags are mediocre and city are an outstanding team.

City are an outstanding team and United are a very good team. Even with a poor manager it will eventually come together and I expect no worse than fifth.

Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton are all better than Utd, therefore 7th at best. And you could make a case for Newcastle and Southampton too

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

I like the description of Jones - "an erratic bumbling centre back."

 

[manimanc]

Come on villa..
Thanks..