United Thread 2014/15

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chesterguy said:
The point is United have made less than £200m profit in the years 2011, 2012 and 2013 but in the year 2013 they made £145m

Clearly their turnover will increase due to increased sponsorship deals but other revenue streams such as CL will be turned off

So clearly they have this amount of money to spend BUT any other splurges of this magnitude in the future will be on borrowed money as there is only so much in the well. Also they are still in significant debt and those costs still have to be met and how long will their owners stick with it if they cant withdraw funds from their cash cow. The running costs will have significantly increased as I am sure Falcao earns more than Welbeck and Di Maria more than Cleverley..:)

Should they fail to make CL next year I am sure I have read that the new shirt deal is halved in value and would mean a further rise in spending plus the inherent additional running costs as players have to be attracted without the CL carrot this really could be a pivotal moment in United history as I am sure the Glazer's did not sign up to United being a cash drain!!!

They certainly couldn't sustain their current level of spending year after year. You are quite right to point out that the rags made only a 986,000 profit in 2011, 28m profit in 2012 & 146m profit in 2013, however, both of those profits in 2012 & 2013 were purely as a result of 'tax credits' ie they made a provision for tax payments in earlier accounts that they then suggest no longer needed to be paid therefore went back into their accounts as revenue. That in my view artificially inflated their profits, surprise, surprise when the the monitoring period for FFP kicked in. They won't be able to use this, what I believe, to be an accounting trick again. Bear in mind that these profits were without the mass be spending being accounted for. Now I appreciate their annual income will go up as a result of the new commercial sponsorships and tv deal, however, this year at least that will be offset to a large degree by the lack of champions league so there is no way I can see them being able to consume that amount of player transfer fees year after year.

I'm no accountant however,that is my laymans interpretation, but if someone with the appropriate qualifications can provide a better overview I would be interested to hear it.

What I am confident of is that irrespective their current profits do not sustain the spending we have seen this summer.

With the knowledge that the rags still need strengthening in a number of areas and that we now have a surplus to play with, they ain't gonna be overtaking us anytime soon.
 
Stoned Rose said:
These new 'commercial deals' utd have done - surely they now open the door for other big clubs to strike similar huge deals? Surely a club who finished in 7th who are not in the CL are not worth as much in sponsorship as us or Chelsea?

I wish you were right but the swamp dwellers have a vastly greater global fan base than us. That counts for much more in sponsorship value than one or two seasons' league positions. Overhauling them off the field is a long term project.

If they continue to miss out on CL, that will certainly accelerate things. No wonder they started spunking money once this prospect became a real possibility.
 
sir baconface said:
Stoned Rose said:
These new 'commercial deals' utd have done - surely they now open the door for other big clubs to strike similar huge deals? Surely a club who finished in 7th who are not in the CL are not worth as much in sponsorship as us or Chelsea?

I wish you were right but the swamp dwellers have a vastly greater global fan base than us. That counts for much more in sponsorship value than one or two seasons' league positions. Overhauling them off the field is a long term project.

If they continue to miss out on CL, that will certainly accelerate things. No wonder they started spunking money once this prospect became a real possibility.

This !

it is what it is...its a long term project , but as far city are going , its the right way
 
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
erast fandorin said:
Behave your fucking self,first game Boxing Day 77,Colin Bells comeback 8 yrs old,been all over with City,pre season tour 89 Norway,Isle of Man,Ireland twice 90s,76 different league grounds with City over the years,some of them god knows how many times,just not arsed about whether some red twats got a work permit by fair means or foul as I think we'll finish well clear of them anyway,so yeh you couldn't be more wrong

defo rag
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face
 
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face

He's been on here long enough for a relative newbie like myself, to know he's a blue.
So have you, so I wouldn't let people get to you or your mate. you know the rag
comment is often used as fishing bait.
 
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face

Is it really Randy Cobb ?
 
sir baconface said:
Stoned Rose said:
These new 'commercial deals' utd have done - surely they now open the door for other big clubs to strike similar huge deals? Surely a club who finished in 7th who are not in the CL are not worth as much in sponsorship as us or Chelsea?

I wish you were right but the swamp dwellers have a vastly greater global fan base than us. That counts for much more in sponsorship value than one or two seasons' league positions. Overhauling them off the field is a long term project.

If they continue to miss out on CL, that will certainly accelerate things. No wonder they started spunking money once this prospect became a real possibility.

I think this behaviour could be filed under 'Buying Yer Way Back Into The Champions' League'! Well, well, well. Swamp Donkeys doin' it the right way!
 
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face


i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face


Is he incredibly ugly? ;)
 
Stoned Rose said:
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face


i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face


Is he incredibly ugly? ;)
Maybe he's a 100ft tall.
 
A rag is trying to tell me that they haven't been invested in the level that we have, I'm sure there was substantial investments years ago that dwarfed every other club?
 
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face
I would, but then I'm a cheeky chappy.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face
I would, but then I'm a cheeky chappy.

Aye, a cheekier chappy you couldn't wish to meet.
 
salfordpaul said:
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

jesus Erast fandorin is a good pal of mine and we have travelled the world together watching city live...yes thats live for the lads on here who follow city on a stream!!
he's more blue than a smurf so pack in the silly comments.......i guarantee you wouldnt say it to his face

have you even been to a game?
 
Morning lurking rag twats, rag twats on here and rag twats on here pretending to be city fans, how the fuck are you?
what pearls of wisdom can we expect from your plastic gobshite mouths today then??
Twats...
 
erast fandorin said:
KentBlue said:
erast fandorin said:
Can't see an issue with the work permit thing to be honest,the guys come to work and no doubt be paying huge taxes due to huge wages,better than the shedloads of vermin coming here with the intention of doing absolutely fuck all bar living off the state,eating pickled onion space raiders and watching Jeremy Kyle

I'm sensing an aura of raggishness - tell me I'm wrong.


Behave your fucking self,first game Boxing Day 77,Colin Bells comeback 8 yrs old,been all over with City,pre season tour 89 Norway,Isle of Man,Ireland twice 90s,76 different league grounds with City over the years,some of them god knows how many times,just not arsed about whether some red twats got a work permit by fair means or foul as I think we'll finish well clear of them anyway,so yeh you couldn't be more wrong

So what you sayin' ? ;)
 
manimanc said:
Rammy Blue said:
erast fandorin said:
Behave your fucking self,first game Boxing Day 77,Colin Bells comeback 8 yrs old,been all over with City,pre season tour 89 Norway,Isle of Man,Ireland twice 90s,76 different league grounds with City over the years,some of them god knows how many times,just not arsed about whether some red twats got a work permit by fair means or foul as I think we'll finish well clear of them anyway,so yeh you couldn't be more wrong

defo rag
He hasn't said massive yet..
When he does fuckin nail him...

Ahaaaa!!Rag you said massive.............er oh bollocks ;)
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
razman said:
if ANYONE wanted to know what the FFP is catered for :

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11079274/Manchester-United-vow-to-buy-a-Luis-Suarez-a-year-under-new-aggressive-transfer-policy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... olicy.html</a>

Manchester United vow to buy 'a Luis Suarez a year' under new aggressive transfer policy

Old Trafford's £150m summer spree just the start as new commercial deals give them power to compete despite Champions League exile

There is a phrase that has been used to describe Manchester United’s apparent financial muscle in the world transfer market that has appealed to the club’s hierarchy. When United signed their hugely lucrative new kit deal with Adidas in July it was said to have given them the potential to sign “a Suárez every year”.

United will not be signing Barcelona’s former Liverpool striker of course – although stranger things have happened – but given it took £75 million to take the Uruguayan to the Catalan club, £15 million more than United paid to acquire Ángel di María from Real Madrid in a British record deal, then the inference is clear.

United believe they can make a world-class marquee signing every year for the next decade. And if not Suárez next summer then what are the chances of a move to bring back, for example, Cristiano Ronaldo to Old Trafford? He will, as things stand, have just one more year left on his Real Madrid contract by then.

The Adidas deal to supply their kit from next season is worth £750 million – although that would be reduced should the club fail to qualify for the Champions League for two successive seasons. Nevertheless, it represents a significant markup from the Nike deal it replaces. And other deals are in the pipeline.

It was Kevin Roberts, founder of SportsBusiness International, a specialist magazine, who used the Suárez phrase as he was asked on Sky News about his thoughts on the Adidas deal and United are remarkably bullish about their spending.
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Senior sources have already briefed that more money will be committed when the January transfer window opens, with talks understood to have taken place to bring in the Roma and Holland midfielder Kevin Strootman for around £25  million during that time once he has recovered from a cruciate ligament injury.

United understand that more than £150 million spent this summer – by far the biggest outlay in the club’s history – is a massive financial commitment.

However, they insist it is not just something they can afford but something they can afford comfortably, especially as they argue they have reduced the size of their squad at the same time. That overhaul will also continue with high-earners such as Ashley Young, said to be on £115,000 a week, targeted.

United also claim that although they want to be in the Champions League next season they can financially take the hit of not being in the competition – for one more year presumably – even though an improved deal kicks in with the new campaign.

They had promised they could spend up to £200 million this summer, and came close to doing that. Maybe it was not as planned as they had promised – and the argument that Louis van Gaal, the manager, wanted time to assess his squad does not ring true – but it was bold. As is the claim that there is more to follow.

Doubts over new 'loan' deals
There is a new phrase that has kicked in for some big‑money, big-name transfer deals that were agreed during the last window: it is the “obligation to buy” or an obligatory purchase clause. It has been used, as with Alvaro Negredo’s season-long loan from Manchester City to Valencia, ahead of a permanent switch and appears to defer that.

That is not unusual – usually there is an “option to buy” in a deal. But this is a different twist. Now there is, for some, an obligation.

The reasons why probably need some clarification from Fifa and Uefa but would appear to suggest an attempt to get-round, for the buying club, the demands to comply with Financial Fair Play. Valencia are obliged to pay £25 million for Negredo next year when, presumably, the club’s finances will be in better shape following the takeover by the Singapore businessman Peter Lim.

Meanwhile, on loans, Manchester United are adamant that the fee paid to secure Radamel Falcao for a season from Monaco is just £4.76 million. However, that does not come close to covering the overall cost of the deal with United paying the 28-year-old striker’s £265,000-a-week wages. It takes the figure for the season to more than £18.5 million. The club have agreed the terms of a permanent deal should it take up the option next summer of a fee of £43  million – plus meeting Falcao’s wage demands.

Exile, FFS, self imposed though. Fucking exile implies they are out through no fault of their own. ie banned.

But wasn't no fault of their own tbh,it was all then cunts who kept beating them. ;)
 
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