United Thread 2014/15

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Wiirdo said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Only PSG have spent more money than them in the last 5 transfer windows. I think it's a disgrace that they are trying to buy 7th place. They are ruining football
[bigimg]http://imageshack.com/a/img539/5628/jB53sh.jpg[/bigimg]

You sure that's right? Just added up our net from the past 5 windows (including this season) on Transfermarkt and it comes to £296m. Last season we were in the green was the season we sold Shauny to Chelski.

I think you're getting mixed up, perhaps thinking of summer transfer windows only. Remember that this is the last 5 transfer windows so:

Summer 2012
January 2013
Summer 2013
January 2014
Summer 2014

If you look at our transfer activity over that 5-window period, a net spend of £107 million is about right.

The United stat is astonishing really - despite being the second biggest net spenders in Europe during that period I think it could be legitimately argued that they have a worse squad now than they did immediately before they embarked on that spending spree, yet all the other clubs on that list can claim that their squads have improved.
 
M18CTID said:
Wiirdo said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Only PSG have spent more money than them in the last 5 transfer windows. I think it's a disgrace that they are trying to buy 7th place. They are ruining football
[bigimg]http://imageshack.com/a/img539/5628/jB53sh.jpg[/bigimg]

You sure that's right? Just added up our net from the past 5 windows (including this season) on Transfermarkt and it comes to £296m. Last season we were in the green was the season we sold Shauny to Chelski.

I think you're getting mixed up, perhaps thinking of summer transfer windows only. Remember that this is the last 5 transfer windows so:

Summer 2012
January 2013
Summer 2013
January 2014
Summer 2014

If you look at our transfer activity over that 5-window period, a net spend of £107 million is about right.

The United stat is astonishing really - despite being the second biggest net spenders during that period I think it could be legitimately argued that they have a worse squad now than they did immediately before they embarked on that spending spree.

Not surprising, really, when you consider which players have left.

Vidic, camel gob and Evra were all top quality defenders, even up to to years ago. And when you think about who they have to replace them - Stan, Smallthing, Evans and fatty Shaw, there really is no comparison..

And that's just the defence.
 
M18CTID said:
Wiirdo said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Only PSG have spent more money than them in the last 5 transfer windows. I think it's a disgrace that they are trying to buy 7th place. They are ruining football
[bigimg]http://imageshack.com/a/img539/5628/jB53sh.jpg[/bigimg]

You sure that's right? Just added up our net from the past 5 windows (including this season) on Transfermarkt and it comes to £296m. Last season we were in the green was the season we sold Shauny to Chelski.

I think you're getting mixed up, perhaps thinking of summer transfer windows only. Remember that this is the last 5 transfer windows so:

Summer 2012
January 2013
Summer 2013
January 2014
Summer 2014

If you look at our transfer activity over that 5-window period, a net spend of £107 million is about right.

The United stat is astonishing really - despite being the second biggest net spenders in Europe during that period I think it could be legitimately argued that they have a worse squad now than they did immediately before they embarked on that spending spree, yet all the other clubs on that list can claim that their squads have improved.
fwiw the window before that, in January 2012, we spent next to nowt iirc, only Pizzaro springs to mind.

When you look at those figures the enduring narrative of the press about 'big spending City' is anachronistic at best, arguably descending into the absurd. Moreover I expect that gap to widen further over what remains of this transfer window and the following ones too.

When one considers where City and united were in 2008, and where both clubs are now, viewed through the prism of those figures, it truly is remarkable.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Deepest Blue said:
The expression "it can't be done" and "the numbers don't add up" seem to be cropping up regularly when United's transfer policy is concerned.

It seems to have scuppered the Vidal deal and now Di Maria.

Is the knock on effect regarding other players' wages (guarantees to be top earner in that position) the problem?
It's an interesting question that raises a wider point.

For years united had a pretty prodigious control of the British footballing market place.

Around the turn of the last century they had one seasoned challenger to their supremacy in the league, namely Arsenal, who were financially stymied by their 38,000 capacity ground. Liverpool were a minor nuisance, but a tolerable one, given the revenue and profile that their rivalry with united provided to the rags. Chelsea were seen as upstarts from the capital who would never have the financial clout to compete with united for the big names in their prime, having to settle instead for fading once-great names, looking to see their careers out in one of the world's great cities. Talking of Cities, the football club situated a few miles away from the rags was nothing but a source of amused contempt to all associated with united. The notion that our club would be operating in the same circles as united was so fanciful as to be farcical, to all concerned, sane City fans included.

Against this backdrop united wielded a form of dominance over the marketplace which bordered on the monopolistic. Any player based in England came available and they'd have him if they wanted him. It really was as simple as that, once they'd flexed their financial muscles. If a leading player based abroad wanted to come to England, as long as they weren't overly-fixated on living in London, they'd usually be able to get the deal over the line.

The same was true about player's wages at united for a considerable time. I remember around the time they won the treble the club having a strict wage ceiling of £20k pw, which they had to eventually deviate from, as the likes of Beckham started to realise their commercial worth to the club, and the club decided to embark on the recruitment of the likes of Veron.

This is the "better, fairer" world that united fans comically hark back to before Chelsea and City 'distorted the market', "forcing" united to pay £300k per week to the granny-shagger. A world where they stood above the rest of English football, calling the shots, lording it over the rest, pillaging the other club's best players, often by coercion as they were the only decent ticket in town. A world where they had a dominant market position which made them untouchable. A world they had, more than any other club, forged through the prism of commercial exploitation. A world of plenty, for them at least.


And then people like Roman Abramovich, Gillete & Hicks and more latterly Sheikh Mansour said "I want a piece of that" for reasons of commercial opportunity, global exposure or vanity. Or maybe all three.

And maybe, just maybe, what we are witnessing now is what happens in other industries when bigger, better resourced organisations enter the fray. The previous leading incumbent in that marketplace with their outmoded systems, vainglorious assumptions about enduring hegemony and a prevailing culture of a sense of entitlement (aka "the united way") get outwitted by the new kids on the block, less bloated by the smug sense of self-satisfaction that often goes hand-in-hand with being at the top for a little too long.

Does it mean they'll disappear from view? Certainly not, but the assumptions contained within their business model about perpetual growth were based around a time when they had a much greater degree of control of the world in which they operate.

The rules of the game have changed and if they want to keep up, they've got some seriously tough strategic decisions to make in the next couple of years that will involve a significant departure from an MO that has hitherto served them so well.

The fucking small-time c**ts.


great post
 
M18CTID said:
Wiirdo said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Only PSG have spent more money than them in the last 5 transfer windows. I think it's a disgrace that they are trying to buy 7th place. They are ruining football
[bigimg]http://imageshack.com/a/img539/5628/jB53sh.jpg[/bigimg]

You sure that's right? Just added up our net from the past 5 windows (including this season) on Transfermarkt and it comes to £296m. Last season we were in the green was the season we sold Shauny to Chelski.

I think you're getting mixed up, perhaps thinking of summer transfer windows only. Remember that this is the last 5 transfer windows so:

Summer 2012
January 2013
Summer 2013
January 2014
Summer 2014

If you look at our transfer activity over that 5-window period, a net spend of £107 million is about right.

The United stat is astonishing really - despite being the second biggest net spenders in Europe during that period I think it could be legitimately argued that they have a worse squad now than they did immediately before they embarked on that spending spree, yet all the other clubs on that list can claim that their squads have improved.

PSG have signed David Luiz so I would argue against you on that one.
 
citytill1die84 said:
Wiirdo said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Only PSG have spent more money than them in the last 5 transfer windows. I think it's a disgrace that they are trying to buy 7th place. They are ruining football
[bigimg]http://imageshack.com/a/img539/5628/jB53sh.jpg[/bigimg]

You sure that's right? Just added up our net from the past 5 windows (including this season) on Transfermarkt and it comes to £296m. Last season we were in the green was the season we sold Shauny to Chelski.

I worked it out as well and it's not much behind 107m don't know how u get 296m spent. 2 transfer windows a season back to 2012/2013 Jack Rodwell 1st signing Aug 12th up to today.

Rodwell 12m
Maicon 3.5m
Sinclair 6.2m
Garcia 15.8
Fernandinho 30m
Negredo 20m
Jovetic 22m
Navas 14.9m
Fernando 12m
Caballero 6m
Zuculini 3m
Mangala 32m

180m


Balotelli 19m
Johnson 10m
Adebayor 5m
Tevez 12m
Rodwell £10
Garcia £13

69m

He's gone. *sniff**sniff*
 
stonerblue said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Deepest Blue said:
The expression "it can't be done" and "the numbers don't add up" seem to be cropping up regularly when United's transfer policy is concerned.

It seems to have scuppered the Vidal deal and now Di Maria.

Is the knock on effect regarding other players' wages (guarantees to be top earner in that position) the problem?
It's an interesting question that raises a wider point.

For years united had a pretty prodigious control of the British footballing market place.

Around the turn of the last century they had one seasoned challenger to their supremacy in the league, namely Arsenal, who were financially stymied by their 38,000 capacity ground. Liverpool were a minor nuisance, but a tolerable one, given the revenue and profile that their rivalry with united provided to the rags. Chelsea were seen as upstarts from the capital who would never have the financial clout to compete with united for the big names in their prime, having to settle instead for fading once-great names, looking to see their careers out in one of the world's great cities. Talking of Cities, the football club situated a few miles away from the rags was nothing but a source of amused contempt to all associated with united. The notion that our club would be operating in the same circles as united was so fanciful as to be farcical, to all concerned, sane City fans included.

Against this backdrop united wielded a form of dominance over the marketplace which bordered on the monopolistic. Any player based in England came available and they'd have him if they wanted him. It really was as simple as that, once they'd flexed their financial muscles. If a leading player based abroad wanted to come to England, as long as they weren't overly-fixated on living in London, they'd usually be able to get the deal over the line.

The same was true about player's wages at united for a considerable time. I remember around the time they won the treble the club having a strict wage ceiling of £20k pw, which they had to eventually deviate from, as the likes of Beckham started to realise their commercial worth to the club, and the club decided to embark on the recruitment of the likes of Veron.

This is the "better, fairer" world that united fans comically hark back to before Chelsea and City 'distorted the market', "forcing" united to pay £300k per week to the granny-shagger. A world where they stood above the rest of English football, calling the shots, lording it over the rest, pillaging the other club's best players, often by coercion as they were the only decent ticket in town. A world where they had a dominant market position which made them untouchable. A world they had, more than any other club, forged through the prism of commercial exploitation. A world of plenty, for them at least.


And then people like Roman Abramovich, Gillete & Hicks and more latterly Sheikh Mansour said "I want a piece of that" for reasons of commercial opportunity, global exposure or vanity. Or maybe all three.

And maybe, just maybe, what we are witnessing now is what happens in other industries when bigger, better resourced organisations enter the fray. The previous leading incumbent in that marketplace with their outmoded systems, vainglorious assumptions about enduring hegemony and a prevailing culture of a sense of entitlement (aka "the united way") get outwitted by the new kids on the block, less bloated by the smug sense of self-satisfaction that often goes hand-in-hand with being at the top for a little too long.

Does it mean they'll disappear from view? Certainly not, but the assumptions contained within their business model about perpetual growth were based around a time when they had a much greater degree of control of the world in which they operate.

The rules of the game have changed and if they want to keep up, they've got some seriously tough strategic decisions to make in the next couple of years that will involve a significant departure from an MO that has hitherto served them so well.

The fucking small-time c**ts.


great post

Seconded. I can't remember reading a better written, more accurate post on here before. Superb.
 
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