BlueRockape
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It must cost them a fortune on propaganda, paying these hacks to wright this shit(they can't believe what they wright can they?)
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Wio Gumflapdinand
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The best one I heard that's doing the rounds as fact from them numpty rags is and I quote " United have spent more in this window than Ferguson spent over his entire tenure there". They really believe this, and I've heard it from quiet a few of the deluded morons.
I honestly am starting to believe Rags and Dippers fans all share some form of retardation
I honestly am starting to believe Rags and Dippers fans all share some form of retardation
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aguero93:20 said:
"A club needs to have applied for a work permit prior to the window closing." (from the premier league website) which was certainly the case. Regarding 3rd party ownership, do you have any evidence that Doyen sports still own any part of Rojo's contract ? Seeing as Doyen and United were the ones pushing the deal through and Sporting were the reluctant party, it's a reasonable assumption that Doyen were happy to take the money and transfer the player to United.
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nixmith2 said:
Regarding the alleged fixture "fixing" in favour of United ... why wasn't it done last season when it would have been more effective or do the premier league hate Moyes more than they love United ?
Champions League draw is complete BS though, agree on that, League champions should be in pot 1 .. the whole thing was devalued when they started letting second place into the competition anyway.
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Wio Gumflapdinand said:
They are an homogeneous lump of delusional, hypocritical shit..!
AlexWilliamsGloves
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Sky said this last year:
AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Again its PR
The average armchair fan will say that he did not spend a lot of net spend but remember when he started 500k-3.5 million was a lot of money then and he repeatedly broke British transfer records. A 500k player back then is now a 10 million player now so figures don't show inflation so of course looks better. Helped also by his ex players turned managers paying a huge premium for Utd rejects
sir baconface
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AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Net spend is possibly the most important yardstick.
However it is gross spend that inflates transfer fees. And we all know which club did the most on that score.
Any economist will tell you that Real spending should be the yardstick i.e. you have to judge a club's spending not by the current standard, but by the standards of the timesir baconface said:AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Net spend is possibly the most important yardstick.
However it is gross spend that inflates transfer fees. And we all know which club did the most on that score.
For example Man Utd frequently smashed the British transfer record when buying players like Pallister and Robson, but those fees are dwarfed nowadays and get lost as mere detail.
Adust for Transfer Inflation and I am confident that Man Utd's Real spending would dwarf every other club
mancitymick
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AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Look at some of his signings from when he first took over
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/sir-alex-fergusons-99-signings-4002742" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... gs-4002742</a>
One example is Irwin, what would he cost in todays market. Point is they have spent more than anyone by far in this Country. They also awarded the biggest contracts. As some one said they were paying Keane 90k per week whilst we were paying Pollock 1k per week!
mancitymick said:AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Look at some of his signings from when he first took over
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/sir-alex-fergusons-99-signings-4002742" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... gs-4002742</a>
One example is Irwin, what would he cost in todays market. Point is they have spent more than anyone by far in this Country. They also awarded the biggest contracts. As some one said they were paying Keane 90k per week whilst we were paying Pollock 1k per week!
That's about £900 more than he was worth!
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Ferguson spent £17.3m (plus 2 undisclosed signings) before winning his first title. If anybody has an adjuster that calculates transfer inflation it would certainly be interesting to see what this figure would represent now.
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Tarzan41 said:
A 35 man squad?
Is that another rule that only applies to them?
Stoned Rose
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hertsblue said:AlexWilliamsGloves said:Sky said this last year:
Again its PR
The average armchair fan will say that he did not spend a lot of net spend but remember when he started 500k-3.5 million was a lot of money then and he repeatedly broke British transfer records. A 500k player back then is now a 10 million player now so figures don't show inflation so of course looks better. Helped also by his ex players turned managers paying a huge premium for Utd rejects
Nailed.
SkyBlueTX
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BlakeTheBlue said:So Uniteds starting 11 for this season is:
Genius!
LOL!!
Bluewonder said:
Well looking at Shaw going for 30m someone like Keane now would go for around 50m pallister and Bruce would be a combined fee of 50m at the least that team he bought was at least 300m in today's money
BertTrautmann'sParachute
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When we thumped them 5-1 in 1989, wasn't that the most expensive team ever assembled in this country? How much did it cost, £10 million? That'd be well over £200 million these days.
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Bert Trautmann's Parachute said:
I seem to recall it was 17m,may be wrong and I used that to take the piss out of the useless twats
billy no mates
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Would be interesting to see an inflation adjusted figure for all the high spending clubs from the inception of the EPL to put it into a realistic perspective rather than agenda slanted versions such as "last five transfer windows" or "since X Y or Z's takeover of club X Y or Z" other bollox.
My guess is United would top that list and that CFC and MCFC have come very close to catching that up in an astonishingly short period of time... pure speculation of course ... which is why a definitive breakdown would be useful.
Regardless, I think there was already a spending problem before CFC (then MCFC) came and exacerbated it. The likes of Leeds especially demonstrate this. However I do not believe free spending billionaire's were the answer, in fact they pushed the bar even further out of reach for most clubs despite breaking into the elite themselves... not everyone has a billionaire handy.
Does this mean I think FFP is fair ? No. It's a reactionary swing back in favour of the "old money" clubs, yes it probably slows down inflated prices a bit but it seems like protectionism where I think it is as much just poor implementation of an idealistic ethos. I can certainly see why people see conspiracy where I see incompetence. FFP is a step in the right direction but clubs that generate high revenue such as United should also feel the pinch is FFP really wants to claim to level the playing field. I do not think that money earned through footballing success should be completely castrated, but being a top ten club now should not mean that you can dwarf everyone else's spending from now on in perpetuity. Sadly I think EU law will make this very difficult to achieve since salary caps and transfer number limitations will be near impossible. However I do think that some ideas could work such as more egalitarian distribution of TV money or perhaps even a % of transfer fees levied to redistribute downwards (though these again would probably incur EU law issues :/)
The loan system needs revamping, CFC's hoarding of young talent severely inhibits one of the last remaining avenues available to smaller clubs ability to use hard work and nous to overcome the financial gap, it also potentially damages the careers of players. A club should not be able to buy a player just to bench and prevent a rival from signing them.
In short I think FFP was inevitable, spending was getting (*STILL IS) unacceptably out of hand. But it needs to come the last step and make changes that allow the spurs and evertons a chance at breaking into the top 4 and the swanseas and southamptons a shot at taking their place, competing for Europe and possibly even CL places. While we all love to see our own team dominate, I think deep down a lot of us would appreciate the value of a league where almost anyone in the top ten could win it and almost anyone in the bottom ten could grow into a top ten side. Unfortunately this feels a long way off.
My guess is United would top that list and that CFC and MCFC have come very close to catching that up in an astonishingly short period of time... pure speculation of course ... which is why a definitive breakdown would be useful.
Regardless, I think there was already a spending problem before CFC (then MCFC) came and exacerbated it. The likes of Leeds especially demonstrate this. However I do not believe free spending billionaire's were the answer, in fact they pushed the bar even further out of reach for most clubs despite breaking into the elite themselves... not everyone has a billionaire handy.
Does this mean I think FFP is fair ? No. It's a reactionary swing back in favour of the "old money" clubs, yes it probably slows down inflated prices a bit but it seems like protectionism where I think it is as much just poor implementation of an idealistic ethos. I can certainly see why people see conspiracy where I see incompetence. FFP is a step in the right direction but clubs that generate high revenue such as United should also feel the pinch is FFP really wants to claim to level the playing field. I do not think that money earned through footballing success should be completely castrated, but being a top ten club now should not mean that you can dwarf everyone else's spending from now on in perpetuity. Sadly I think EU law will make this very difficult to achieve since salary caps and transfer number limitations will be near impossible. However I do think that some ideas could work such as more egalitarian distribution of TV money or perhaps even a % of transfer fees levied to redistribute downwards (though these again would probably incur EU law issues :/)
The loan system needs revamping, CFC's hoarding of young talent severely inhibits one of the last remaining avenues available to smaller clubs ability to use hard work and nous to overcome the financial gap, it also potentially damages the careers of players. A club should not be able to buy a player just to bench and prevent a rival from signing them.
In short I think FFP was inevitable, spending was getting (*STILL IS) unacceptably out of hand. But it needs to come the last step and make changes that allow the spurs and evertons a chance at breaking into the top 4 and the swanseas and southamptons a shot at taking their place, competing for Europe and possibly even CL places. While we all love to see our own team dominate, I think deep down a lot of us would appreciate the value of a league where almost anyone in the top ten could win it and almost anyone in the bottom ten could grow into a top ten side. Unfortunately this feels a long way off.
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