I agree, just look at 2012/13, they were horrible for almost the whole season yet won it. If there's a team that can win a title without being half as good as the teams they're competing with it's United - so I agree they need to be taken seriously, I still think it's too early to judge them as contenders & will be doing that after their next 4 games, if they get something away to Arsenal, manage to win away at tough places such as Palace/Everton & manage to beat us then they're obviously a lot stronger than I'm giving them credit, we shall see which way it goes.