United Thread 2015/16

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tony marshall said:
I've always got on with City. There was no real antagonism between us though once you could challenge the rivalry naturally inyensified about 4 or 5 years back. We look on you as 'our kid'. Liverpool now that's a different matter.
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Out of interest – how old are you?
 
GPC admits he's still 'Heavily involved' in Football.

The **** still being puppet master at the swamp then? I wonder how much they pay him now.
 
tony marshall said:
Agree with a lot of this. Football at this level can change rapidly. We have won two of the last five titles and though in transition are well positioned to challenge this season. Next phase of rebuild will be the summer transfer season. After Van Gaal leaves we will have to see how the competition from yourselves, Chelsea and Arsenal pans out.
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United's issues stem from the motivation of their owners. Whilst financially United could be well positioned to challenge in the coming years, a title win isn't really high on the Glazers wish list. The amount of money you need to spend to secure a top 4 finish is extremely high, however the amount of money needed to turn a 4th place finish into a title win is astronomical. The rewards, from a purely financial perspective, that are reaped by winning the title are not sufficient enough to warrant the financial outlay required to achieve them. What you need is owners who desire the title, who are not purely motivated by the financial side of club ownership. In Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour Chelsea and Manchester City have owners who desire trophy wins. Yes, they also have their eye on the financial implications, it would be naïve to assume otherwise, but they are willing to spend money that they could otherwise syphon away in order to achieve footballing success. The Glazers would be more than happy with consistent top 4, and therefore Champion's League, finishes and profit making seasons. They neither want, nor need, title wins in order to get their pound of flesh from United.

United are well positioned to challenge for a top 4 finish this season, and I suspect they will achieve one without too much hassle, however I disagree that United are well positioned to do anything more than that. They may well only be 2 points adrift of City (which in itself is ridiculous really given the quality of our football thus far, and the periods of pretty terrible football United have dished up) but, and again it's just my opinion, that represents a false position. United will not finish the season 2 points adrift of City, they will be a fair few points further behind than that.
 
Gary James said:
Liverpool-Utd rivalry is a modern thing and established by Fergie. Basically, if you look at it sensibly, Fergie's ambition in Scotland was to break up the Glasgow duopoly and make Aberdeen a credible force. When in England he saw LFC as the team with all the success. So it was inevitable that to be the most successful you have to challenge the best.

Maybe next year we'll stir things up with a mcfc-Chelsea rivalry debate. Perhaps we could say this goes back to the industrial revolution, and link it with "what Manchester does today....". Actually, we could easily claim a long rivalry with Chelsea, bringing up several grudge games over the decades, linking back to our Div 2 battles in 1983-84 and the fmc in 1986.
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stony said:
The rivalry with Liverpool was manufactured by the GPC, it didn't exist in the 70s/80s.
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So we can all move on, attached is footage of the United manager, half a decade before Ferguson. Fast forward the clip to 32 minutes.

 
A journalist on Talkshite this morning had attended one of GPC's lectures last night. According to the GPC, Ancelotti, Van Gaal and Pep were all in the frame to take over the rags before Moyes but Ancelotti and Van Gaal had just taken new jobs so he left a message for Pep to ring him with a view to discussing the vacancy but Pep never returned his call. Pep's just gone up in my estimation.
 
Wreckless Alec said:
A journalist on Talkshite this morning had attended one of GPC's lectures last night. According to the GPC, Ancelotti, Van Gaal and Pep were all in the frame to take over the rags before Moyes but Ancelotti and Van Gaal had just taken new jobs so he left a message for Pep to ring him with a view to discussing the vacancy but Pep never returned his call. Pep's just gone up in my estimation.
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I'd take it with a pinch of salt mate. The gpc is a notorious liar, as has been proven in his various books. Typical rag really.
 
Wreckless Alec said:
A journalist on Talkshite this morning had attended one of GPC's lectures last night. According to the GPC, Ancelotti, Van Gaal and Pep were all in the frame to take over the rags before Moyes but Ancelotti and Van Gaal had just taken new jobs so he left a message for Pep to ring him with a view to discussing the vacancy but Pep never returned his call. Pep's just gone up in my estimation.
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Could you imagine the wankathon of it was Pep doing it to city? Love how he's towing the party line saying LVG is the right man for the job, a guy who manages to piss everyone off and holds up hands outs of pie charts to the media to demonstrate why his team aren't long ball merchants.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34311859

Man Utd: Ferguson demanded payrise to match Rooney
Former Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson demanded that his salary was doubled in the aftermath of Wayne Rooney's big pay increase in 2010.
Rooney was set to leave United before signing a deal worth £250,000 a week.
"I told them I did not think it fair that Rooney should earn twice what I made," Ferguson says in a new book.
"[United co-chairman] Joel Glazer said: 'I totally agree but what should we do?' It was simple. We just agreed no player should be paid more than me."

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The irony being that the rags probably have more mercenaries than anybody else.
 
IH8MUFC said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34311859

Man Utd: Ferguson demanded payrise to match Rooney
Former Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson demanded that his salary was doubled in the aftermath of Wayne Rooney's big pay increase in 2010.
Rooney was set to leave United before signing a deal worth £250,000 a week.
"I told them I did not think it fair that Rooney should earn twice what I made," Ferguson says in a new book.
"[United co-chairman] Joel Glazer said: 'I totally agree but what should we do?' It was simple. We just agreed no player should be paid more than me."

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The irony being that the rags probably have more mercenaries than anybody else.
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And their fans are more bitter than everybody else.....
 
shallyman said:
So we can all move on, attached is footage of the United manager, half a decade before Ferguson. Fast forward the clip to 32 minutes.

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Again you post a clip that doesn't prove your point – that clip at 32mins proves what Gary and all other blues on here are saying, United 'the club' are jealous of Liverpool's success not the fans, as Gary James has already pointed out, the period of Atkinson as manager actually saw piss-poor attendance figures when you played them, if it was such a hotbed of rivalry then that wouldn't be the case, yet full house if you played us! – the animosity between the clubs as you percieve it is a result of Baconface's stoking the fire when he took over simply because he wanted to be more successful (a personal thing for him)... Find us some clips of Liverpool fans, and yours from back in 70's/80's talking about this mythical animosity. Truth is uptil the Premier League era Scousers laughed at you and took the piss.
 
mancityvstoke said:
There was definitely animosity between Mancs and Scousers ,,,trust me
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Yes that's not debated – there's a history of inter-city rivalry, but that's not the same as the footballing rivalry they're trying to justify.
Back in the old days visiting Goodison was probably worse than Klanfield, yet they claim no rivalry with them... so why Liverpool? Oh yeah they were more successful!

To prove this, a few years ago - before we won our first PL title I got talking to some Scousers on holiday - they all wished us good luck and hoped we'd beat the Rags to title...
Couple of years later - after we'd beat Liverpool to the title, they're feelings towards City fans mysteriously changed, now it's animosity like with the rags... because we're now better than them... that's what causes the rivalry.
 
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dickie davies said:
I caught the piece of the interview they showed at Breakfast
red nose said that his teams always went out to win and NEVER went out not to get beat
First thing that came to mind..............

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He's still a lying fucker
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That game showed to me how much we were ahead of them, years before he would never have come been afraid of us, what a fucking night that was.
 
Remember the game they came and kicked SWP all over the fucking park... they never came to win that game either the lying old, piss-stained ****!
 
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