I enjoy reading the posts from the two clowns, 'Van Gaal era' and 'Mali Zeus'
Both of them would struggle to find OT on a map but my word, they do give it their best to be 'Top Reds'
They'll never understand why we hate them so much. They'll never understand what it is to have a proper rivalry because they're so invested in the myth that Utd and Liverpool is the biggest and bestest game in the world.
Well whilst they're still getting giddy over what is at best, a Europa league/top four shootout between two clubs who are being run shockingly and playing dire football, we will be pushing on, winning trophies and entertaining the masses.
Our time is coming, it won't be long before we've left them in our wake in everything. Team, facilities, stadium, sponsorships, owners, staff, youth, everything.
And it'll be glorious.
I've seen a few of my quotes posted in the bluemoon melt down thread by van Gaal era on red cafe. Nearly 4000 posts since July 2014. This guy must surely have no girlfriend if he has that much time to devote to post that much on a forum.
I'm happy I'm keeping you entertained van gaal era, you changing your name to van pulis when you sack oil rig head as you realise you should have stuck with 'the chosen one'?
The other season when it was a choice between Liverpool winning the league and City. 99% of United fans wanted City to win. I was in a pub when you played them at Anfield and United fans were cheering City goals. I also recall the other season when Chelsea were playing Bayern Munich in the CL final and I wanted Chelsea to wipe the smug grins from Rummenigge and co. A big whoop when Drogba scored.
The rivalry with Liverpool was manufactured by the gpc, it didn't exist in the 70s/80s. The irony of a rag not liking the rags of Germany won't be lost on here.
The rivalry with Liverpool was manufactured by the gpc, it didn't exist in the 70s/80s. The irony of a rag not liking the rags of Germany won't be lost on here.
Yep, the 'so-called' rivalry was created by the Rags simply because they hated the fact that Liverpool were a far more successful team than they were! Fucking sad really!
Scallyman may claim to have cheered our goals against the dippers, but more success for us will soon change that, within the next few years that will be reversed, the vermin will gladly cheer Scousers over us!
The rivalry with Liverpool was manufactured by the gpc, it didn't exist in the 70s/80s.
Ha, it didn't exist in the 70's and 80's!!! Did you just write that and press post??? This was when it was at it's most violent, distasteful and fervent. Train stations were like battle grounds, that car-park infront of Old Trafford that used to be a wasteland was like a scene from Braveheart. Stanley Park used to have bricks hidden in the bushes to lob at the United fans as the police marched us to the ground. The stretford end was full of inflatable 'shanklys' while they threw aeroplanes. All of the songs about the liverpool slums, sign on, he's only a poor little scouser...these came before Fergie ever set foot near the North West of England. It was always Liverpool 1st, Leeds 2nd and City was just banter.
One of the points I made the other night was that Liverpool-Utd rivalry is a modern thing and established by Fergie. Basically, if you look at it sensibly, Fergie's ambition in Scotland was to break up the Glasgow duopoly and make Aberdeen a credible force. When in England he saw LFC as the team with all the success. So it was inevitable that to be the most successful you have to challenge the best.
To me the LFC-Utd rivalry was a little one sided with the least successful side desperate to overcome the successful one. Then that rivalry became stronger as Utd equalled and then past liverpool's domestic record.
In the 30s Arsenal were City's main rivals, attracting greater crowds for Arsenal City games than Manc derbies. In the 50s Wolves were Utd's rivals, and in 60s Leeds were the Reds main rivals. Today Chelsea are City's you could argue, BUT that should never downplay the Manc derby. Let's be honest Manc derbies have hurt Fergie more than his rivalry with LFC.
The Liverpool-Utd rivalry rid not exist before the late 70s and wasn't particularly bitter then. The 2 teams have often been allies for various reasons. These moments include - 1915 the match fixing which meant that Utd stayed up when the 2 teams fixed a game; the busby-Shankly-paisley connection which meant they were close; the early 20th century agreement between them re shirts (basically, they lobbied the League to prevent teams from wearing anything but red or white; their idea being that home teams must all wear red and away white!) and so on.
If the LFC-MUFC derby was this great big historical rivalry going back to ship canal etc then why were their games not intense affairs pre 70s? Why weren't City and Everton bitter rivals when they were both challenging in early 1900s and 1930s? Why were LFC and MUFC so close?
I wanted to talk more about this the other night, especially about the match fixing, but United weren't really a threat or challenge in the debate. Maybe next year we'll stir things up with a mcfc-Chelsea rivalry debate. Perhaps we could say this goes back to the industrial revolution, and link it with "what Manchester does today....". Actually, we could easily claim a long rivalry with Chelsea, bringing up several grudge games over the decades, linking back to our Div 2 battles in 1983-84 and the fmc in 1986. That would be as credible as the LFC-MUFC history!
The same as it was everywhere you prick. Or do you think football violence was limited to Anfield and the swamp?
You don't have to believe me, but how about believing football historian and respected author Gary James.
Now get back in your box you condescending rag cockwomble and come back when you've actually researched a bit about your own rancid fucking club, instead of coming on here trotting out the same bullshit lies your club does. Begone ****!
You are quite right. When we played Liverpool in the 70's and 80's we used to skip hand in hand with Liverpool fans. Handing out flowers to each other, trimming them with stanley knives.Exchanging friendly bricks as we merrily made our way home with shattered coach windows so we wouldn't get to hotGary James the City tour guide!! Was Gary James on the Stretford End in the 70's or 80's? Or the away end at Anfield as darts rained down, or being baton charged by Liverpool supporting coppers. You don't need to take my word or Gary James word for it. Just ask any United fan over the age of 45. This non rivalry nonsense has been created and manufactured to fit into your own narrative, but none of you were actually there, and I don't even know why it's an issue all of a sudden. You want me to say that City have always been the ones that I fought with and hated, but it isn't true.
When I was a kid I could tell you every City fan who lived on my street or in my year at school. It was never violent or ugly. City scouts used to watch us playing matches on fog lane, I even attended the Mark Lillis soccer school in the summer once, and City players used to come to our school and we were always respectful to them. Paul Simpson walked his dog on Heaton Mersey common and Alex Williams lived in that 70's estate behind the Dog and Partridge on Didsbury road. We used to go to functions at the social club at Maine road. City were always part of where we grew up, as were United, but it was always a different type of rivalry. It didn't matter what feats United achieved currently or in the past, there was always a Blue in the corner of pub who would say "stuffy goal that by Cantona. He was trying to cross it...ee's not fit to lace Colin Bells boots."
It wasn't an evil or deeply hateful relationship, it was always good banter. It still survives to this day, sometimes on these pages. Now you can read what you want in a book and believe that, but I know what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.