United Thread 2015/16

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manimanc said:
And to think they thought they'd struck gold and got the best thing in football getting the Dutch ponce as their manager.
Look at them now. On their 3rd manager in 3 years.....tut tut and I do believe that they tell everyone it's not the utd way to sack managers.......
Comedy gold.
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jimharri said:
It's turned out a lot less grim than I was fearing. TT is no mug as a manager, he's managed at the very top level in club and international football. In a way it's even better than "The Chosen One's" season. Most of us suspected that Wee Davey was going to be out of his depth at the Meccano set. I certainly didn't think that LVG would do such a fantastic job as he's doing though!
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Disappointed in both of you.
Is this any way to speak about the winner of the 2014 Guinness Intercontinental Cup?

Forward with King Louis! What could possibly go wrong!
 
pfazz said:
365 having a go at Giggs now.........








  1. Source: http://www.football365.com/news/ryan-giggs-either-implicated-or-utterly-irrelevant

    some in the press want us to believe, he’s been marginalised the Van Gaal and so none of United’s woes can be laid at his door, then frankly that paints him as someone too weak to stand up for himself and as a man with a sense of entitlement who is just biding his time, waiting for the inevitable privilege of being United manager to be bestowed upon him, despite him doing little of any quality either as assistant manager or when he was the actual manager for four games.

    There certainly seems little rapport between him and the Dutchman. The grim silence on the United bench is revealing. Giggs doesn’t even make notes, maybe fearing not being seen as a Proper Football Man if he does. Most of the time he looks like he’s haunting the bench, like an apparition from the golden era and very much a reminder to all of what once was, but which is no longer. Surely it’s not too much of a stretch of the imagination to believe he’s a becoming a millstone around the players’ necks as the glory years made extant.

    And by the way, why the hell should he be the next United manager? Surely you have to prove you can do the job in some way, shape or form and in that regard the evidence isn’t good. When interviewed, he’s hardly in the Gary Neville school of analysis and erudition. He’s clearly not a motivational speaker. In the Class of 92 programmes he came over as largely testing the boundaries of dull. A go-along-er rather than a leader.

    It’s not to say Giggs can’t become a good manager or a good coach, but there’s no evidence he’s that at the moment. You’ve got to go and manage and learn how to do it. Just having being great at football is obviously not enough, even if some of the less intellectually ambitious press just can’t get past this idea. In fact, it’s almost not relevant at all. That doesn’t need proving anymore.

    So what’s he there for, again? There are two choices. He’s either implicated in the failure or he’s irrelevant. Neither is a good look for a future United manager. And yet, reports suggest he’s been given a ‘cast iron guarantee’ that he’ll replace Van Gaal. Really?

    If true, that’s extraordinarily irresponsible because frankly, there’s no proof at all he’s any good at anything apart from playing football and he can’t do that anymore.

    Let’s re-cap. If true, United want to give the job to someone who was a player-coach under David Moyes, which ended in their worst season in decades and who is assistant manager during their worst spell of form since, well, the previous season. And his fans are trying to tell us none of this is his fault? Absolutely none. We are entitled to be very, very cynical about that.

    Giggs has a lot of support, and I understand why, but that doesn’t absolve him of some responsibility for the current malaise, and it doesn’t make him any good in a managerial capacity, and until there’s actually some proof, why should we assume that he is?

    John Nicholson.






    Always wondered why they blindly think that Giggs can do the job.
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That's a very well observed piece. I've said it before, but it deserves repeating because its manifestly true: Ryan Giggs does not posses the requisite mental skills to make it in the upper echelons of football management. That doesn't mean you have to be some bookish academic, but you need to be streetwise and have exceptional motivational skills at the very least. From what I have seen (and I include that comical, Pravda-style documentary which painted him as a devoted husband) he is a deeply uninspiring man who does not question things in a way I believe a leader should. Such is the task in hand at united, the man to return them to anything even resembling their former status under Taggart will be a truly remarkable one, like Busby, Shankly, Klopp or dare I say it Ferguson. Someone who stands out from the crowd. Someone with the force of personality and vision to carry such a huge institution where he wants it to go. Giggs is far too ordinary a personality to even begin to achieve this.

A couple of years ago I think they may have appointed him in similar circumstances, such was the bloated sense of self-importance at the club, but I think as an institution they're a little less sure on their feet these days. A bit of swagger has left their step. They've flexed their muscles in the transfer market and it's garnered a fairly uninspiring outcome. They realise that the dynamics in the Premier League more widely have shifted greatly in the last 18 months. They're no longer able to bully the rest of the league and the footballing establishment, like they once did with such purpose and menace. They're not even top dogs in their own connurbation anymore. On that basis, they've probably stopped believing their own vainglorious and preposterous publicity a little and so appointing Giggs to carry on 'the united way' is now much less of a given, because the united way has been exposed as a myth and a lie and is becoming increasingly like a joke.

If he gets the job I'll be shocked. Delighted, but utterly shocked.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That's a very well observed piece. I've said it before, but it deserves repeating because its manifestly true: Ryan Giggs does not posses the requisite mental skills to make it in the upper echelons of football management. That doesn't mean you have to be some bookish academic, but you need to be streetwise and have exceptional motivational skills at the very least. From what I have seen (and I include that comical, Pravda-style documentary which painted him as a devoted husband) he is a deeply uninspiring man who does not question things in a way I believe a leader should. Such is the task in hand at united, the man to return them to anything even resembling their former status under Taggart will be a truly remarkable one, like Busby, Shankly, Klopp or dare I say it Ferguson. Someone who stands out from the crowd. Someone with the force of personality and vision to carry such a huge institution where he wants it to go. Giggs is far too ordinary a personality to even begin to achieve this.

A couple of years ago I think they may have appointed him in similar circumstances, such was the bloated sense of self-importance at the club, but I think as an institution they're a little less sure on their feet these days. A bit of swagger has left their step. They've flexed their muscles in the transfer market and it's garnered a fairly uninspiring outcome. They realise that the dynamics in the Premier League more widely have shifted greatly in the last 18 months. They're no longer able to bully the rest of the league and the footballing establishment, like they once did with such purpose and menace. They're not even top dogs in their own connurbation anymore. On that basis, they've probably stopped believing their own vainglorious and preposterous publicity a little and so appointing Giggs to carry on 'the united way' is now much less of a given, because the united way has been exposed as a myth and a lie and is becoming increasingly like a joke.

If he gets the job I'll be shocked. Delighted, but utterly shocked.
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Absolutely spot on observation. In fact it's hard to see what career in football he would succeed at now.
 
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