United Thread 2015/16

[mufc1988]

Mufc 1988, if as you say, you study the financial side of things, think about this.
I'm not denying that manyoo is a large, global player in the market. That can be a detriment as much as it can be an advantage. Things happen quickly and decisively when there is a lot of money at stake. When the glazers started buying up shares, they hit a certain percentage, meaning that they had to launch an official takeover. There is a tipping point in matters like this, whether buying or selling.
If your club continue with the mediocrity currently being displayed, they're appeal as an investment becomes less and less attractive. Combine this with throwing good money after bad pushes you closer to the downward tipping point.
Look how quickly the chain of events occurred with the recent credit crunch. One major outfit in America got cold feet and decided to call on its debts and the knock on effects were catastrophic. Once a few significant investors in your club decide that they'd rather put their money elsewhere, the whole pack of cards will fall.
That's how perilous your situation is.
If you don't appoint the right man next, I believe you'll reach your tipping point.

Yes we can't afford to be mid-table any longer. Which is why I think LVG should go only when 3rd is mathematically impossible.
Transfers will always be a crapshoot. Who would have guessed that Di Maria would play so bad? Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?
The safest thing to do is to invest in under-23 players. If they make it then good, if not the transfer fees required to cover up losses will be lower.

I don't think your views on 'calling' debt during the credit crisis is fully accurate.
My understanding is that some investors were concerned (rightfully) about the sustainability of receiving cash flows from Collateralized Debt Obligations. The ratings agencies acted in collaboration with banks to underplay the risks associated with certain debts. That's when stocks were sold, housing market collapsed, payments on those debts vanished and everything came tumbling.
It was NOT the banks that called in money, it was a very high number of common people who started extracting money from the banks because they were afraid of their savings dissappearing.
That's what further destroyed some of these banks.

Our situation is not perilous because we have to pay our loans according to a schedule. Banks can't call-in money unless there is a pre-agreement ( I am not aware of any!).
Banks make money off charging interest. In fact there is a penalty for early-repayment of loans because more outstanding debt means more interest to be payed.

 

[SWP's back]

Ermm, this failed Arab Spring thing....?

 

[lloydie]

Honestly, I think you are exaggerating.
Your 'global' supporters prior to current success were probably British expats whose children may have followed the tradition.
The vast amount of your new fan base has come because of its success.

Why are you in denial about it?
Its perfectly fine to gain fans that way.

Never said there was anything wrong with gaining new fans through success, only that it's not the only way,

Denial?, pfft, piss right off you know nowt nomark.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/why-are-you-a-city-fan.316617/

Oops just spotted you're a lady, my apologies for not understanding where you're coming from.

 

[ccr]

Do united need investors ? I thought all their money came through the turnstiles ?

 

[cleavers]

Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?

Again, clueless, he wasn't a "terrible player" at all, at first he was very good, but he faded in the second season, and was sold on, but his usefulness to City can't be denied, he was here to propel our name, and help sell us to others, he did that job.

I've no idea why you are here, you appear to know nothing about our club, or the group that owns us, or what their intentions are, I even wonder how much you actually know about mufc, but having seen where you originate, we're probably wasting our time even discussing our club with you.

 

[roj]

Where are you from, mate? In Britain we have a fable about a hare and tortoise but I see you have pictured a pheasant.

'Ryan Giggs is a cock'... Bit ambiguous I s'pose. Manchester :)

 

[mat]

I didn't understand what you meant.
I am tracking City because in a space of 5 years, they have gone from regional-level to global-level.
I have never seen such a thing before so hence why I look at funding/strategy/etc.

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a woman my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

 

[Vienna_70]

Yes we can't afford to be mid-table any longer. Which is why I think LVG should go only when 3rd is mathematically impossible.
Transfers will always be a crapshoot. Who would have guessed that Di Maria would play so bad? Who would have guessed Robinho would be a terrible player for City?
The safest thing to do is to invest in under-23 players. If they make it then good, if not the transfer fees required to cover up losses will be lower.

I don't think your views on 'calling' debt during the credit crisis is fully accurate.
My understanding is that some investors were concerned (rightfully) about the sustainability of receiving cash flows from Collateralized Debt Obligations. The ratings agencies acted in collaboration with banks to underplay the risks associated with certain debts. That's when stocks were sold, housing market collapsed, payments on those debts vanished and everything came tumbling.
It was NOT the banks that called in money, it was a very high number of common people who started extracting money from the banks because they were afraid of their savings dissappearing.
That's what further destroyed some of these banks.

Our situation is not perilous because we have to pay our loans according to a schedule. Banks can't call-in money unless there is a pre-agreement ( I am not aware of any!).
Banks make money off charging interest. In fact there is a penalty for early-repayment of loans because more outstanding debt means more interest to be payed.

Di Maria's time at the swamp made Robinho look as successful as Ronaldo at Real Madrid in comparison.

 

[pete1970]

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a woman my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

Thats the best post ive read for a while
Well said fellow blue

 

[mufc1988]

Because unlike the rags whom arrogantly thought they were, and still TWGC (TM) our owners had a plan to not just develop the club but Football, and more importantly the City of Manchester as a whole.

Best academy, training facilities and local development. So what do the rags do? Throw their toys out the pram because "Its not fair" Pettiness ingrained so deeply you don't want your youth teams playing ours because of the dickings at every level. You seem to forget that your club began this race for dominance. We were weeks from going under and thanks to other club owners stupidity we won the lottery.

As blues we will never ever forget nearly losing the club and the luck we had with ADUG. We remain humble not arrogant because we've had false fawns before. In the 31 years of following City you bastards just rubbed our faces in it. Karma is a woman my friend. Accept it and go and dine on your history which makes you and the dippers unlikely bedfellows.

I think you are taking the whole rivalry a bit too seriously. There is more to life than football.
Also there is an irony in your last paragraph. I'll let you figure that out.