United Thread 2015/16

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super_city_si said:
I hope they do get Mourinho. His football is boring as fuck. Have you ever tried watching chelsea when he was in charge? The rags love their crosses in volume and he wont provide that.
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There will be a revision of what his tactics are once he lands at the Swamp. It will be led by Murdoch and his empire......others will follow.
 
If Mourinho goes there they'll still be boring as fuck, just better at it, it does reek of desperation though, Mourinho wouldn't go there without big money to spend because he can't do anything with that load of shite they have in the squad atm. I remember Gary Neville on MNF when Moyes was appointed talking about how he'd have to adjust his tactics to "The United Way" which he did unsuccessfully and was obviously sacked, I assume Van Gaal was hired I assume not only for his history but also for the fact he likes to play with wingers just like "The United Way" however having failed again it seems they're going to abandon "The United Way" (not only in terms of playing style but also all the other old shit they used to spout) and just grease old Jose up with about £300million and beg him to get him back in the top 4
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I don't think you grasped what I was saying. The club's borrowings are not the issue (except they're only worth about £1.6bn at the moment not £2bn) but most of the assets, Old Trafford included, are used as security for their borrowings.

The majority of shares are held by the Glazers. The Glazers have another business called First Allied Corporation, which manages shopping malls. They own those malls and rent the units out to shops. It's like a huge buy-to-let operation where the plan is that the rental payments cover the interest on the mortgages on the malls. Just prior to the crash in 2008, they re-mortgaged these malls heavily. The security was presumably the malls so as long as they're worth more than the mortgage and the interest payments are covered, everything's fine. The crash put a stop to that however and a number were in default with some going into liquidation.

The Glazers also presumably had to borrow money to repay the PIK notes they used to finance the purchase of united. That may well have been done using their united shares as security as these seem to be the one tradeable asset they have. Also, if the mortgages on the malls are higher than the capital value of those properties, they may have been asked for additional security. Again, their united shares are an obvious source for that. If the share price goes down significantly (even after a $1 rise today) they're down 20% on recent weeks they may be asked for more security as the value of that security goes down.

The First Allied malls are at the low-end of the market, without the prestigious anchor tenants that other malls have, and the future for anything but high-end malls generally is bleak, with many shutting down. The Glazers clearly aren't making anything out of this business as they're taking £2.5m each out of united each year and one at least has sold a large block of shares. They therefore need united to be financially successful to keep the share price high as it appears to be their only liquid asset and may be propping up other the other part of their busines holdings as well as personal borrowings. If the share price were to collapse, it could seriously hurt them.

I've often wondered why they haven't got rid of united, when they had the chance to get £2bn or more. I suspect that they either can't sell the shares (as they're tied up in securing other borrowings) or that the £2bn they might have got isn't even enough to cover their various liabilities.
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If the Malls are losing why don't they cut there loses and sell them?
 
Ell-ano said:
If Mourinho goes there they'll still be boring as fuck, just better at it, it does reek of desperation though, Mourinho wouldn't go there without big money to spend because he can't do anything with that load of shite they have in the squad atm. I remember Gary Neville on MNF when Moyes was appointed talking about how he'd have to adjust his tactics to "The United Way" which he did unsuccessfully and was obviously sacked, I assume Van Gaal was hired I assume not only for his history but also for the fact he likes to play with wingers just like "The United Way" however having failed again it seems they're going to abandon "The United Way" (not only in terms of playing style but also all the other old shit they used to spout) and just grease old Jose up with about £300million and beg him to get him back in the top 4
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I wonder..... if they were to start to get Top 4 again regularly whether the clamour for an invitiation only champs league would die down Lol
 
Just read somewhere that they will be touring China the same time as us talk about standing on the shoulders of Giants...They're like a bad smell nowadays..

Fuck off rags..
 
What is it with the national broadcaster and its obsession with these scum?

They do nothing to warrant such sycophantic bullshit, have slipped from their position as serial winners and are going the way of Liverpool after the 80s, yet still we get this propaganda about 'taking over the world'. This is utter shit.

If those cunts get Mourinho it will become even worse too, it was bad enough when he was at Chelsea. Thing is, if they do get him and sign Neymar we can pretty much kiss another title goodbye unless we sign Messi or Bale and three new defenders.
 
Omnia Vincit Riot said:
What is it with the national broadcaster and its obsession with these scum?

They do nothing to warrant such sycophantic bullshit, have slipped from their position as serial winners and are going the way of Liverpool after the 80s, yet still we get this propaganda about 'taking over the world'. This is utter shit.

If those cunts get Mourinho it will become even worse too, it was bad enough when he was at Chelsea. Thing is, if they do get him and sign Neymar we can pretty much kiss another title goodbye unless we sign Messi or Bale and three new defenders.
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Should they get Mourinho and IF (very big IF) they get Neymar, why should we be worried? Mourinho would destroy him like he did with Hazard.
 
Why would Neymar go there? With Pep coming to us, and the very real chance of them finishing outside top four and missing out on CL... why would he go there?
And if he did, the rags would never be able to use the 'mercenary' bollocks to us again, because he would be the very epitomy of the phrase.
 
abudabuser said:
But they do repeat that bullshit about them having 659 million fans though.
They may have a far greater following than us globally but that is only because of their history. We are catching up quickly so nothing to worry about. Without baconface they can't attract top players so they may beat us in popularity but we beat them in riches and on the pitch where it most matters.
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Sniff sniff?
 
dario2739 said:
Why would Neymar go there? With Pep coming to us, and the very real chance of them finishing outside top four and missing out on CL... why would he go there?
And if he did, the rags would never be able to use the 'mercenary' bollocks to us again, because he would be the very epitomy of the phrase.
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The very epitome of 'mercenary' would be to use the phrase "lovebites and everyfing " on SkySports on the last day of the season in May 2012.
 
659 million fans!?!?

I'd bet 90% of them just say they 'like' them, have never put a penny in the rags coffers and the vast majority wouldn't have a clue who they're playing this weekend

So even if the figure is anywhere near true it doesn't mean a thing
 
chaddblue said:
659 million fans!?!?

I'd bet 90% of them just say they 'like' them, have never put a penny in the rags coffers and the vast majority wouldn't have a clue who they're playing this weekend

So even if the figure is anywhere near true it doesn't mean a thing
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I seem to remember this figure of 659 million fans was concocted by the Utd PR department ahead of the "flotation for fools" a while back. It was not universally accepted.

The scribblers at the Financial Times have a least one virtue, they tell the truth to their class, they openly scoffed at the figure, stating at best it was half that number, though still an impressive figure nonetheless.

As time has gone by the hacks have carved this number in to stone and reel it out whenever their editors demand yet more Utd spin tosh.
 
The BBC doing their bit again today....

Are Man Utd' About to Rule the World

Big article on their sports site. Not just a small piece, they've spent some money on this. Fucking shocking actually.

Oh, 9.5% of the world's population support them. Yep, it's on the BBC so it's true.
 
I don't know if this should go into an existing bbc thread or united thread so I just started a new one.

Anyways, on the bbc website now there is a headline that reads 'Are United about to rule the world?' I mean really? Why do the bbc lick their arse so much? Endless programmes about the 'class of 92', the whole Pep to United thing. The bbc were reporting that he could join united and when it came out he was comin to City, they said it was 'the worst kept secret'???

'659 million fans. 116 million social media followers'... Some stats they used to show just how big united are, BORE OFF!!! Why show the social media followers anyway when you've said how many they have worldwide? haha

Basically what im asking here is, why do the bbc love them so much? And will united rule the world? haha
 
United and the BBC have a lot in common. Both are underperforming institutions facing an identity crisis.
 
Window lickers, the lot of 'em. Honest to God how often can you have a half decent conversation with one of them about ANYTHING.
 
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