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They are not happy at the Caff - from a thread entitled " why I prefer attractive football to win at all costs " - defines the fair weather fan

I've been thinking about this here and there based on many comments on this site from members that say they don't care how we play, they just want to win. Here are my thoughts:

1. Attractive football gives you joy just watching. If we play attractive football most of the time, say 60% of our matches, then you will be entertained around 30 matches a season. That's 30 days you will experience joy with the entertaining play and want to watch more. Yes, losing or drawing the match would dampen some of the joy but at least your saw some nice skill and good play. And even after a bad result you were given hope that next weekend will be different.

2. On the other hand, let's say we play conservative football and maybe win just a little more than with attractive football. We might squeak to a title here and there and that's great. When we win a title or cup, though, you get joy for a few days and then you just go back to living your life. It's a brief joy. Sure, even playing conservatively you will see some good play, just not 30 days. Instead, you might see some sparkling play maybe around 10 matches and most of it will center around individual play, not team play.

3. Attractive football wins consistently over the long run. This is especially true with modern football. A team can't compete year after year by playing conservative, defensive football. You might get lucky once in a while, but it can't be sustained.

4. Attractive football attracts great players.

5. Attractive football intimidates your opponents. Two good examples are City at the moment and United during their great runs under SAF.

I became a United fan in 2000 (first time I got satellite tv and could watch european football) because United played with a swagger. I got the feeling that how United play was just as important as getting results.

I know some of you will laugh and mock me and that's okay. This is how I feel and I'm sure there are others like me. My enthusiasm about football has waned because of the pedestrian football I've watched for 4 years now.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They are not happy at the Caff - from a thread entitled " why I prefer attractive football to win at all costs " - defines the fair weather fan

I've been thinking about this here and there based on many comments on this site from members that say they don't care how we play, they just want to win. Here are my thoughts:

1. Attractive football gives you joy just watching. If we play attractive football most of the time, say 60% of our matches, then you will be entertained around 30 matches a season. That's 30 days you will experience joy with the entertaining play and want to watch more. Yes, losing or drawing the match would dampen some of the joy but at least your saw some nice skill and good play. And even after a bad result you were given hope that next weekend will be different.

2. On the other hand, let's say we play conservative football and maybe win just a little more than with attractive football. We might squeak to a title here and there and that's great. When we win a title or cup, though, you get joy for a few days and then you just go back to living your life. It's a brief joy. Sure, even playing conservatively you will see some good play, just not 30 days. Instead, you might see some sparkling play maybe around 10 matches and most of it will center around individual play, not team play.

3. Attractive football wins consistently over the long run. This is especially true with modern football. A team can't compete year after year by playing conservative, defensive football. You might get lucky once in a while, but it can't be sustained.

4. Attractive football attracts great players.

5. Attractive football intimidates your opponents. Two good examples are City at the moment and United during their great runs under SAF.

I became a United fan in 2000 (first time I got satellite tv and could watch european football) because United played with a swagger. I got the feeling that how United play was just as important as getting results.

I know some of you will laugh and mock me and that's okay. This is how I feel and I'm sure there are others like me. My enthusiasm about football has waned because of the pedestrian football I've watched for 4 years now.
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Imagine the p[lastic twat having to go through what we were subjected to in the past?

Glory-hunting tosser would have jumped from a 1-6 storey building ;o)
 
De Gea had more touches for the Rag's in the entire game than Mkhitaryan and Lukaku combined against Chelsea yesterday.

Lukaku didn't touch the ball once in the opposition penalty area, and had a total of just 24 touches the whole game.

£90M for someone who is not a big game player?
 
sir baconface said:
I rarely inflict the nick-nack-paddy-whack shite on my eyeballs but did half-watch the Chelski game yesterday. Was genuinely surprised at the abject poverty of style. Frenetic stuff: kick and rush, push and shove, hoof and hope.

They may or may not push us this season, if we falter, as they’ll pick up plenty of points against the “smaller teams”. However, they’re light years behind City in terms of footballing evolution.

Fcuk em.
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Doing my best not to get carried away because titles are never won and lost in November but you're right about the respective styles of play. To be honest, some of Mourinho's other teams in the past actually played better football and had a more discernible style of play than what we’re seeing from his United team. I don't know why that is but maybe he's lost his mojo in the past few years. There was the fractious parting of the ways at Real, plus all the fallout in his third season back at Chelsea. Granted, he won the league the season before but apart from that I get the impression he's fallen out of love with football a fair bit. The United job is one he publically coveted for years but he just doesn't seem particularly happy there despite that.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
De Gea had more touches for the Rag's in the entire game than Mkhitaryan and Lukaku combined against Chelsea yesterday.

Lukaku didn't touch the ball once in the opposition penalty area, and had a total of just 24 touches the whole game.

£90M for someone who is not a big game player?
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The analysis on MotD last night was very revealing as to why he's firing on dodgy cylinders.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
They are not happy at the Caff - from a thread entitled " why I prefer attractive football to win at all costs " - defines the fair weather fan

I've been thinking about this here and there based on many comments on this site from members that say they don't care how we play, they just want to win. Here are my thoughts:

1. Attractive football gives you joy just watching. If we play attractive football most of the time, say 60% of our matches, then you will be entertained around 30 matches a season. That's 30 days you will experience joy with the entertaining play and want to watch more. Yes, losing or drawing the match would dampen some of the joy but at least your saw some nice skill and good play. And even after a bad result you were given hope that next weekend will be different.

2. On the other hand, let's say we play conservative football and maybe win just a little more than with attractive football. We might squeak to a title here and there and that's great. When we win a title or cup, though, you get joy for a few days and then you just go back to living your life. It's a brief joy. Sure, even playing conservatively you will see some good play, just not 30 days. Instead, you might see some sparkling play maybe around 10 matches and most of it will center around individual play, not team play.

3. Attractive football wins consistently over the long run. This is especially true with modern football. A team can't compete year after year by playing conservative, defensive football. You might get lucky once in a while, but it can't be sustained.

4. Attractive football attracts great players.

5. Attractive football intimidates your opponents. Two good examples are City at the moment and United during their great runs under SAF.

I became a United fan in 2000 (first time I got satellite tv and could watch european football) because United played with a swagger. I got the feeling that how United play was just as important as getting results.

I know some of you will laugh and mock me and that's okay. This is how I feel and I'm sure there are others like me. My enthusiasm about football has waned because of the pedestrian football I've watched for 4 years now.
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Not sure which alarms me the most :

A = He became a Utd fan when he got SKY
or
B = He thinks 60% of 38 is 30??
 
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