United Thread - 2021/22

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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Careful, now! We have to visit the once beautiful Leigh Village for an FAWCup game! That's gonna be their CL, Europa, PL, trip to Alton Towers all rolled into one.
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Good Girl. Spot on.

Nicola. Ipswich fan. Said thread.

There are a LOT of people in this thread falling over themselves to claim how little it matters to them. And yet if they get knocked out in the semifinal of the Champions League there will be absolutely tons of posts and posters celebrating it. So excuse me if I take all these claims with a massive punch of salt.
As for my views as a non Utd, non City fan, dominance can be boring but I don’t differentiate between the kind of dominance City have and the kind that Bayern have, or Juve had until recently. They all add an element of boringness. Utd’s golden age was also pretty boring for non Utd fans, although I guess at the time you lot all put that down to jealousy. Funny how the tables turn. To illustrate that point even further, imagine if all external financing was made illegal, leaving Utd as consistently by far the richest ream in the league, without there being any real chance of being overtaken (financially) in the next 20 years. How do you think all these Utd fans who describe themselves as ‘cold’ would react? Football fans are awful hypocrites, I bet if the glazers had turned out to be owners who pumped money in (rather than took it out) you’d be scrabbling to find ways to justify that
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I would say it’s as good an example as there is of the skewed way they are dealt with by most of the media. It’s difficult to imagine a worse return on investment than united have secured in the last decade. Genuinely reckon a random supporter picked from the terraces would have likely enjoyed more success.

They have overpaid for players whose careers have immediately gone into decline, never to recover. They have had a number of conspicuous and spectacular failures in the transfer market which have quickly descended into loan deals containing eye watering losses. They have wasted hundreds of millions of pounds. No club in world football has invested such large sums so poorly, or anything remotely close. They deserve nothing but ridicule for their incompetence, especially coming as it does, wrapped in hubris.

And yet the underlying narrative is about our spending, which by any possible metric has been significantly, overwhelmingly even, better deployed than theirs. Surely the cost of their bench invites more comments than ours given the pitiful decision making and reckless profligacy that it represents. Surely that is more newsworthy. More noteworthy.

It’s often used as a stick to beat us with that if we make a mistake in the transfer market, we can just go out and buy a replacement, despite the number of unequivocal big money failures at City being vanishingly small (Mendy, Bony spring to mind) and yet the club that routinely does it, and spends overall around the same as us, is hardly ever mentioned in those terms.

It’s an incredible track record of failure that is all too rarely reported as such, and certainly not with the force and frequency it deserves. It’s actually remarkable just how systemically bad the club’s recruitment has been, as well as being…err…clear and obvious, and a widespread failure to report it honestly in those terms can only be rooted in a conscious decision not to, which betrays an embarrassing absence of professional self-respect on the part of our sporting media in this country.
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Some people bought the narrative that they were back though and some even thought they might challenge for the title this year…
 
jrb said:
Good Girl. Spot on.

Nicola. Ipswich fan. Said thread.

There are a LOT of people in this thread falling over themselves to claim how little it matters to them. And yet if they get knocked out in the semifinal of the Champions League there will be absolutely tons of posts and posters celebrating it. So excuse me if I take all these claims with a massive punch of salt.
As for my views as a non Utd, non City fan, dominance can be boring but I don’t differentiate between the kind of dominance City have and the kind that Bayern have, or Juve had until recently. They all add an element of boringness. Utd’s golden age was also pretty boring for non Utd fans, although I guess at the time you lot all put that down to jealousy. Funny how the tables turn. To illustrate that point even further, imagine if all external financing was made illegal, leaving Utd as consistently by far the richest ream in the league, without there being any real chance of being overtaken (financially) in the next 20 years. How do you think all these Utd fans who describe themselves as ‘cold’ would react? Football fans are awful hypocrites, I bet if the glazers had turned out to be owners who pumped money in (rather than took it out) you’d be scrabbling to find ways to justify that
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The Aguero moment was a joyous occasion was it not?
Later pipping the dippers to the title by a point.
The 103 point season.
We have won the title 4 times out of the last 5, but I don't think there has been much of an element of 'boringness' in our attitude or style of play.
Perhaps, one day, your club will get to the top and become just as boring...
 
jrb said:
Good Girl. Spot on.

Nicola. Ipswich fan. Said thread.

There are a LOT of people in this thread falling over themselves to claim how little it matters to them. And yet if they get knocked out in the semifinal of the Champions League there will be absolutely tons of posts and posters celebrating it. So excuse me if I take all these claims with a massive punch of salt.
As for my views as a non Utd, non City fan, dominance can be boring but I don’t differentiate between the kind of dominance City have and the kind that Bayern have, or Juve had until recently. They all add an element of boringness. Utd’s golden age was also pretty boring for non Utd fans, although I guess at the time you lot all put that down to jealousy. Funny how the tables turn. To illustrate that point even further, imagine if all external financing was made illegal, leaving Utd as consistently by far the richest ream in the league, without there being any real chance of being overtaken (financially) in the next 20 years. How do you think all these Utd fans who describe themselves as ‘cold’ would react? Football fans are awful hypocrites, I bet if the glazers had turned out to be owners who pumped money in (rather than took it out) you’d be scrabbling to find ways to justify that
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Depends what you mean by external financing. If you include sponsorships in that, the rags would have nobody to play as we would all be broke. The irony is that most INTERNAL financing is outlawed by ffp; i.e. owners are strictly limited in investing in their own business.
 
Grassland Blue said:
The Aguero moment was a joyous occasion was it not?
Later pipping the dippers to the title by a point.
The 103 point season.
We have won the title 4 times out of the last 5, but I don't think there has been much of an element of 'boringness' in our attitude or style of play.
Perhaps, one day, your club will get to the top and become just as boring...
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I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. She's debating the "boring" point with United fans and calling them hypocrites.
 
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