United Thread - 2021/22

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Claytop said:
I mean, bias aside... I'm not sure how world class they're squad is??

De Gea - Seems to be back on form with his shot stopping, rest of his game not world class.
Shaw - Fair enough, been good for a while
Maguire - Nope, not having it.
Varane/Lindelof - Varane could be but not convinced.
Fred/McTom/Matic - Nope, nope & nope
Pogba - World class in his head, too many parts of his game missing to be considered in that bracket
Fernandes - Torn here, pretty immense stats but how many times has he showed up in a big game?
Rashford - Decent but will never be as good as they thought/hoped he was gonna be.
Sancho - They'll probably ruin him.
Greenwood - Looks the part to be fair
Ronaldo - Only genuine World Class player but team has to be set up around him to get the best out of him.
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I'd agree with a lot of this, but given how poorly they play as a team it's almost impossible to even fairly judge individual players. Pogba in a 3 with good coaching and a system is entirely different to Pogba at United (see Juve or France). I suspect on a purely technical level there isn't actually much that separates Stones and Maguire, but the former looks like he is working hard, still learning and still improving where Maguire looks like his best years are behind him. Some of that is down to the player, but some of that is down to manager, coaches, players around them, facilities and everything else.

I think even with the best manager, though, their overall squad is really confusing and unbalanced and haven't really been signed with a coherent plan. They're playing a 4-2-3-1 which is giving up the whole of the midfield, and is a piece of piss to defend against, in order to squeeze Pogba, Ronaldo and Fernandes into the team.
 
Nihilist said:
Ronaldo sits in the box waiting for tap ins, literally.
How is putting two past Newcastle and 3 past Luxemburg world class ? Where was he vs Villa , Everton 2nd half when he played , Leicester ? Ronaldo is done, he will still score against small teams but in the big games against good teams he'll be caught lacking unless they get penalties , then he will score. If I'd have a choice I'd take Cavani over Ronaldo anyday. Cavani doesnt score as often as Ronaldo but thats because he doesn't sit in the box waiting for tap ins all game , he actually runs , tracks backs , passes the ball to someone in a better position so on.
Greenwood is very overrated, he has good shooting skills but besides that he is useless , he shoots from every position every time he can , obviously some are going to go in. He's just a younger Ronaldo trying to score for himself , completely useless for team play.
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They seemed to be a much more dangerous side when Cavani played and benching him to accommodate side show Ron to please the attending day trippers, it’s really messed them up as a team. Cavani at least presses and can link play up, they now play with two passengers in the team in Pogba and CR37 which is knocking a lot of other players games off. Where’s Bruno these days the rags were saying he was better than Kev last season. He’s finally been found out now they have tightened up on all those daft VAR penalty calls they got over the last 18 months.
 
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