United Thread - 2021/22

[manimanc]

“I was 20 the last time we won the Premier League and next year I’ll be 30, should that really happen?!”

With Rags, it’s that collective lack of understanding that things don’t last forever and that they’ve never been a club who’ve always been at the top, that gets me.

Outside Magnall, Busby, and Ferguson, United have only won five trophies and for the most part outside those three managers they’ve just been any old run-of-the-mill English football club. Mostly in the First Division/Premier League not doing much, sometimes in the Second Division, at times getting average league attendances of 11,000 and individual league attendances of 3,000, and going bust. That’s why Gary Neville saying, last year, that “Manchester United are the grandfathers of English football” was such a fucking stupid comment!

This attitude where they think they should be up the top of the league challenging is utter fucking delusion. Whenever United haven’t had a decent manager in place, whenever there have been better run clubs than them, they haven’t ever really been a club up there challenging.

This is actually true of all clubs in English football. English football doesn’t really have any clubs who are, far and away, out of reach of the rest of the pack when it comes to success. 20 league titles isn’t that many, in future decades there could be a few clubs up at that level, because it’s not overly dominant. There aren't any clubs in England who have always been up at the top, always challenging, always winning something every few years. And I don’t think there ever will be. This is what makes English football the best! There are far too many decent clubs with decent potential for any club in England to just always be dominant like a Rangers/Celtic or Nacional/Peñarol situation where they’ve all won over 100 trophies each and always been the dominant clubs in Scotland and Uruguay. England’s top clubs have always and will always be fluctuating and it would only take a decent few decades for any club to catch anyone else up. Because that’s all United (and Liverpool) ever really had to put them where they are in their own standing; a few good decades. Away from that, they’ve just been clubs like any other.

There have been other eras where clubs were dominant, only for their time at the top to come to an end and these clubs fall away from the top. Villa, Sunderland, Everton… Arsenal had a few goes, Liverpool had their turn, United had theirs… City and Chelsea are in their great eras now… in future decades Newcastle, Leeds, Spurs, and West Ham could be the clubs who takeover at the top if they get the right investment and use it well with the right boardrooms and right managers/players, because they certainly all have the potential to… that would be reasonable to think would happen because that’s how English football has always worked.

This notion that not winning or challenging for the title isn’t good enough for United is completely out of touch with the reality of English football.

Fantastic that mate.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Can I ask a question, a few years ago the away fan rule was brought in by the PL, where opposition fans had to b pitchside. The 2 teams (off the top of my head) that didn't do this were Newcastle & Manchester United.

Just having a quick Google and Newcastle were granted an indefinite exemption due to safety concerns between fans, but what about Manchester United, as surely where away fans are is not classed as pitchside?

Their disabled section is below the away section, and they already don’t cater for enough disabled supporters so can’t move it.

But I think United’s away section is probably the best view from any away section in the country. This “pitch-side” away fans thing isn’t a particularly good thing. You travel miles sometimes just to be provided with an awful view. There’s nothing worse than being stuck on Row A behind a goal like you are at so many grounds where you can’t even see the ball or even from the knees down of players up the other end of the pitch or the goal posts/nets are in the way of your view.

At least at Old Trafford you’re a bit further back and in the corner. That’s why so many sets of fans create a great a good atmosphere there as well because corners are always best for atmospheres.

 

[mexico1970]

Don’t forget Phil “he could be as good as Duncan Edwards” Jones.

Is Phil Jones the new Duncan Edwards?

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

UTD Podcast: Ben Thornley treasures George Best comparison

Manchester United Class of '92 star Ben Thornley said he was humbled to learn Nobby Stiles had compared him to George Best.

www.manutd.com

Ravel Morrison: how Manchester United's best talent since George Best lost his way

Ravel Morrison could beat any player on the pitch, but couldn't defeat his inner demons off it. Here's the story of his Manchester United career

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

Adnan Januzaj flair invokes the spirit of George Best at Manchester

Moyes gives the frail United youngster his league debut 50 years after legend’s first game

www.independent.co.uk

They embarrass themselves.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

UTD Podcast: Ben Thornley treasures George Best comparison

Manchester United Class of '92 star Ben Thornley said he was humbled to learn Nobby Stiles had compared him to George Best.

www.manutd.com

Ravel Morrison: how Manchester United's best talent since George Best lost his way

Ravel Morrison could beat any player on the pitch, but couldn't defeat his inner demons off it. Here's the story of his Manchester United career

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

Adnan Januzaj flair invokes the spirit of George Best at Manchester

Moyes gives the frail United youngster his league debut 50 years after legend’s first game

www.independent.co.uk

They embarrass themselves.

They do.

However, it’s fucking rubbed off on us and we’ve started doing it (take a look at the McAtee thread… apparently, he’s the next David Silva!).

 

[mexico1970]

They do.

However, it’s fucking rubbed off on us and we’ve started doing it (take a look at the McAtee thread!).

We've got time to stop it before it becomes entrenched :)

The two players that invoke the lovable Bestie are Giggs and Greenwood, not for their football more for their backhands.

 

[jrb]

We should give them one day off today for understandable reasons.

After all, they did take the ticker banner down on the Benjani anniversary.(and put it straight back up the next day)

 

[Edward Deadwood]

Sponsored by teamviewer?

I saw first hand their mural commemorating 50 years was sponsored by AIG. If anything ever summed up that club …?

 

[waspish]

They do.

However, it’s fucking rubbed off on us and we’ve started doing it (take a look at the McAtee thread… apparently, he’s the next David Silva!).

It’s always natural to to do that. He will score more goals than silva if he stays with us for his career

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We should give them one day off today for understandable reasons.

After all, they did take the ticker banner down on the Benjani anniversary.(and put it straight back up the next day)

If they deserved a day off I'd be happy to give 'em one. Alas, they don't!

 

[JASR]

From the left:
Time travelling permed scouser supporting his new favourite history club.
Extremely short MiB wanabee.
A young long haired Richard Osman realizes that he's made the wrong choice of team picked when he started watching football.

 

[Vienna_70]

In a couple of years they should remake the milk advert from the 80s. If you don't drink your milk you'll only be good enough to play for Man Utd!

Who?

Exactly!

 

[Sir peace frog]

Wasn't there supposed to be a protest today?

there is supposed to be a demonstration ? today of all days

 

[crazyg]

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From the left:
Time travelling permed scouser supporting his new favourite history club.
Extremely short MiB wanabee.
A young long haired Richard Osman realizes that he's made the wrong choice of team picked when he started watching football.

Or more well known by their real names:

Curly, Larry and Moe.

 

[KentBlue]

If they deserved a day off I'd be happy to give 'em one. Alas, they don't!

I'll never give them a day off. Never. It's a part of my DNA to loathe those bastards and I can't change that - even if I wanted to.
Those venomous remarks from the pisscan towards us have soured me forever, and I will never forget his contemptuous, sneering, hate-filled comments like 'small club, small mentality,' and of course, 'not in my lifetime.'
He, more than anyone else associated with that poisonous club, turned my dislike to intense hatred for the rags almost overnight. Even Paddy Crerand hasn't incurred my wrath as much as that odious, Glaswegian despot.

I long for the day when that noxious, malignant, semi-human being breathes his last. I swear to god the amount of jelly and ice cream I will feast upon will be visible from the International Space Station.

 

[Vienna_70]

UTD Podcast: Ben Thornley treasures George Best comparison

Manchester United Class of '92 star Ben Thornley said he was humbled to learn Nobby Stiles had compared him to George Best.

www.manutd.com

Ravel Morrison: how Manchester United's best talent since George Best lost his way

Ravel Morrison could beat any player on the pitch, but couldn't defeat his inner demons off it. Here's the story of his Manchester United career

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

Adnan Januzaj flair invokes the spirit of George Best at Manchester

Moyes gives the frail United youngster his league debut 50 years after legend’s first game

www.independent.co.uk

They embarrass themselves.

Another one that no one has mentioned, Carlton.

A product of their youth academy, and has never lived up to the hype surrounding him.

 

[Vienna_70]

I'll never give them a day off. Never. It's a part of my DNA to loathe those bastards and I can't change that - even if I wanted to.
Those venomous remarks from the pisscan towards us have soured me forever, and I will never forget his contemptuous, sneering, hate-filled comments like 'small club, small mentality,' and of course, 'not in my lifetime.'
He, more than anyone else associated with that poisonous club, turned my dislike to intense hatred for the rags almost overnight. Even Paddy Crerand hasn't incurred my wrath as much as that odious, Glaswegian despot.

I long for the day when that noxious, malignant, semi-human being breathes his last. I swear to god the amount of jelly and ice cream I will feast upon will be visible from the International Space Station.

Growing up, I always hated the rags, for obvious reasons.

But, like you, that hatred turned to absolutely detesting them after the pisscan took over and started spouting his vitriolic shit and his blatant lies.

Much of the crap he came out with was to belittle City, especially the "Littlewoods are our traditional rivals," which he only seemed to realise as the rags got within reach of the mourners' 18 titles.

However, he did inadvertently bring us a much-needed injection of publicity. After the famous "WELCOME TO MANCHESTER" poster went up, and he made his "Noisy Neighbours" comment, it brought the club the sort of worldwide attention that HRH and Khaldoun could only have dreamt of.

 

[malg]

Their disabled section is below the away section, and they already don’t cater for enough disabled supporters so can’t move it.

But I think United’s away section is probably the best view from any away section in the country. This “pitch-side” away fans thing isn’t a particularly good thing. You travel miles sometimes just to be provided with an awful view. There’s nothing worse than being stuck on Row A behind a goal like you are at so many grounds where you can’t even see the ball or even from the knees down of players up the other end of the pitch or the goal posts/nets are in the way of your view.

At least at Old Trafford you’re a bit further back and in the corner. That’s why so many sets of fans create a great a good atmosphere there as well because corners are always best for atmospheres.

the view for away fans at our gaff, in the lower section ain't great.

 

[Mikejl]

I'll never give them a day off. Never. It's a part of my DNA to loathe those bastards and I can't change that - even if I wanted to.
Those venomous remarks from the pisscan towards us have soured me forever, and I will never forget his contemptuous, sneering, hate-filled comments like 'small club, small mentality,' and of course, 'not in my lifetime.'
He, more than anyone else associated with that poisonous club, turned my dislike to intense hatred for the rags almost overnight. Even Paddy Crerand hasn't incurred my wrath as much as that odious, Glaswegian despot.

I long for the day when that noxious, malignant, semi-human being breathes his last. I swear to god the amount of jelly and ice cream I will feast upon will be visible from the International Space Station.

This - can’t wait until 2024 as it’s a leap year and I can hate them for a full extra day

 

[Blue_eyes]

Thick fucker can't even do simple arithmetic. If he was born in 1993 then he'll be approaching 30 now. They are so deluded they think time should stop for them.

To be fair, time did used to stop for them under fergie...........................if they werent winning at 90mins.

 

[give it to gordon]

Growing up, I always hated the rags, for obvious reasons.

But, like you, that hatred turned to absolutely detesting them after the pisscan took over and started spouting his vitriolic shit and his blatant lies.

Much of the crap he came out with was to belittle City, especially the "Littlewoods are our traditional rivals," which he only seemed to realise as the rags got within reach of the mourners' 18 titles.

However, he did inadvertently bring us a much-needed injection of publicity. After the famous "WELCOME TO MANCHESTER" poster went up, and he made his "Noisy Neighbours" comment, it brought the club the sort of worldwide attention that HRH and Khaldoun could only have dreamt of.

My dad was the same up until pisscan took over he disliked utd but it turned to pure hate and anger after.

But my dad would never talk badly about Munich air crash. He would tell us what it was like in Manchester in the aftermath. How the City became united in grief.

But my dad hated the way Ferguson talked about City, sometimes I was worrying my dad would have a heart attack. Dad had nothing but phase for Busby, even liked a few of their players lol always dislike Charlton but never said a bad word about out of respect for the air crash. Dad always preferred Jacky Charlton.
My dad hated the way Ferguson had split Manchester so much. The way Ferguson would bully refs, how Ferguson got away behaved, the way utd players would behave.

But dad would always remember the Munich air crash with dignity, and made sure we would as well.