United Thread - 2023/24

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blueste41 said:
By stating that you are disregarding facts when I said:-
"The BBC actually receive the most bias complaints from Rags and Liverpool fans who are convinced they are biased against them and quite often that they are pro City!"
Does the fact that a proportion of every clubs fanbase believe they are biased against them actually prove to a certain level they are unbiased? Or is it simply that every Rag and Dipper is clearly wrong and only Blues know the real truth because they are in some way more intelligent?
So you believe they are anti-City and probably pro-United/Liverpool. But where do you believe they are in other areas, so in politics where does their bias lie Conservative or Labour Democrat or Republican? I guarantee that which ever way you go their will be others on here that vehemently contest you are wrong and that their bias is the other way.
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I'm not disregarding any facts.

The fact remains that complaints are arrogantly dismissed by this organisation in a patronising and insincere manner with complete impunity safe in the knowledge that their wages will still be covered by the licence fee payer.

I have personal experience of this as do numerous posters which have been well documented on here.
Some of the responses are clearly copied and pasted from standard pre-prepared letters designed to fob off complainants.

Genuine question;
Do you think it is right that you can be prosecuted for not having a TV licence to fund the BBC even if you do not access any of their content?

If the BBC had to fund itself, it would be a completely different conversation but the fact remains that they don't and have an obligation to the people who pay their wages and they are clearly failing to do this.

The licence fee is nothing but a legalised protection racket and without it the BBC would have to resort to begging people to subscribe similar to The Guardian and The Athletic.
 
blueste41 said:
By stating that you are disregarding facts when I said:-
"The BBC actually receive the most bias complaints from Rags and Liverpool fans who are convinced they are biased against them and quite often that they are pro City!"
Does the fact that a proportion of every clubs fanbase believe they are biased against them actually prove to a certain level they are unbiased? Or is it simply that every Rag and Dipper is clearly wrong and only Blues know the real truth because they are in some way more intelligent?
So you believe they are anti-City and probably pro-United/Liverpool. But where do you believe they are in other areas, so in politics where does their bias lie Conservative or Labour Democrat or Republican? I guarantee that which ever way you go their will be others on here that vehemently contest you are wrong and that their bias is the other way.
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Bias can go from favourable or the amount of coverage. Rags & Dippers have far more coverage & within those numerous platforms they’ll have positive & negative but knowing the standard of reporting they’ll probably get a lot wrong.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The probable irony in this debate is that the people moaning about the BBC will likely have stopped paying their licence fees, meaning their arguments are moot.
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Very true, but why do I need licence for a TV, but nationally I don't need one for my four legged *hit machine?
 
blueste41 said:
By stating that you are disregarding facts when I said:-
"The BBC actually receive the most bias complaints from Rags and Liverpool fans who are convinced they are biased against them and quite often that they are pro City!"
Does the fact that a proportion of every clubs fanbase believe they are biased against them actually prove to a certain level they are unbiased? Or is it simply that every Rag and Dipper is clearly wrong and only Blues know the real truth because they are in some way more intelligent?
So you believe they are anti-City and probably pro-United/Liverpool. But where do you believe they are in other areas, so in politics where does their bias lie Conservative or Labour Democrat or Republican? I guarantee that which ever way you go their will be others on here that vehemently contest you are wrong and that their bias is the other way.
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Do you not think that is because that majority of City fans know the utter contempt they'll get from the BBC if they put in a complaint and that as a result they just don't bother?

You only have to look at the way the comments sections on the BBC Sport website is moderated to know that City fans don't get fairly treated by that supposedly 'neutral' & 'fair' organisation.
 
Blueboy73 said:
I'm not disregarding any facts.

The fact remains that complaints are arrogantly dismissed by this organisation in a patronising and insincere manner with complete impunity safe in the knowledge that their wages will still be covered by the licence fee payer.

I have personal experience of this as do numerous posters which have been well documented on here.
Some of the responses are clearly copied and pasted from standard pre-prepared letters designed to fob off complainants.

Genuine question;
Do you think it is right that you can be prosecuted for not having a TV licence to fund the BBC even if you do not access any of their content?

If the BBC had to fund itself, it would be a completely different conversation but the fact remains that they don't and have an obligation to the people who pay their wages and they are clearly failing to do this.

The licence fee is nothing but a legalised protection racket and without it the BBC would have to resort to begging people to subscribe similar to The Guardian and The Athletic.
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I was focussing on the "clearly biased" part of your post. I can see that your post goes beyond that.
Genuine question;
"Do you think it is right that you can be prosecuted for not having a TV licence to fund the BBC even if you do not access any of their content?"
I don't actually and neither do many inside the BBC. In the modern world of so much alternative content being available that can be accessed in many different ways it's clear that a discussion needs to be had and that quite possibly the license fee model is outdated. I suspect a new model will be introduced at the next Charter Renewal.
I also accept your point that complaints are handled in a sub standard way. The BBC is such a big organisation with many different arms all pulling in different directions and there is a distinct lack of accountability, this leads to a lack of cohesion and direction.
Although nobody that works at the BBC regularly considers that their wage is pad for by license fee payers, perhaps they should. But that's much the same way that civil servants don't regularly consider their wage is paid for by taxpayers or someone that bottles jam at Hartley's considers they are paid by people that like jam.
 
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