United Thread - 2023/24

[Metal Biker]

I don't see any reason to hate Charlton or disrespect his memory for several reasons, but one main one is ever more prudent; we've won.

United are seen as secondary to City in every current clash. We've won multiple Premier League titles, we've won them back-to-back, we've won three in a row and chasing a fourth. We've won the FA Cup, League Cup, once four years running. We've won the pinnacle of European Football and most importantly, we've matched their highest achievement, what that club dined out on for years as the highest accolade not even Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal have acheived or anyone thought possible, The Treble.

Charlton saw it all. He saw us rise and his own club fail. He saw the dilapidated, crumbling Old Trafford looking worse now than when the Germans bombed it. So there's no need to insult his memory further, City have already regained our pride for us where it mattered, on the pitch. Any and every comment he may have made about our club have been well and truly silenced. So I do hope any Blues going to the 'Colander' to reflect that pride back at them. Let them have their respectful moment of reflection for a past player who saw successes at their club... and observed ours.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Cant help feeling that they are setting themselves up to fail here, if we keep our focus we will smash them.

..... they have an inbuilt, ready made excuse(s) for defeat already lined up.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

So they going to have a minute silence tonight at home and another one Sunday why? How many if any club has never had two minute silences

I can only think of one other

 

[citizen_maine]

..... they have an inbuilt, ready made excuse(s) for defeat already lined up.

That they're shite?

 

[TinFoilHat]

..... they have an inbuilt, ready made excuse(s) for defeat already lined up.

That was my first thought when Tent Peg said his players must not let the emotions distract them.

We spank them and that will be their excuse.

 

[fulabeer]

Cant help feeling that they are setting themselves up to fail here, if we keep our focus we will smash them.

The rags/press used the Munich anniversary as an excuse the last time we did them.
So the same will happen again.

Unless of course they beat us.
Then, oh my god will the rags/press have headlines about "doing it for Bobby".
(Note if we win, i can guarantee you no headlines about "doing it for Franny")

If there was ever a match where we cannot play great football first half and then fade it is this one.
The headlines will be about the "twelfth" man inspiring the come back.. And no, not Howard Webb for a change!

 

[Cellarite]

@paulchapo - came in here to avoid doing on the Bobby Charlton thread what I had accused others of doing.

I don't find either statements any worse than Bill Shankly saying "there are only two teams in Liverpool - Liverpool and Liverpool reserves." I think fans had thicker skin back then.

I agree he was a bully. We saw it countless times with journalists, referees and his own players but honestly - and I lived through it all - I think we got off quite lightly considering we're his team's local rivals. His comment about knocking Liverpool "right off their fucking perch" had far more vitriol than anything he said about City in my eyes. He also said about Real Madrid that "I wouldn't sell that lot a virus." There's the supposed team talk before the last game of the season - "Lads, it's Tottenham."

One poster was annoyed that Erik Tent Peg had dedicated their win to Charlton's family on Saturday night because it was only Sheffield United and it was only 2-1. My point is that sometimes, a microphone is thrust under a manager's nose and a ridiculous question asked. They've got a couple of seconds to think of an answer that deals with the question, is the right angle from their own club and doesn't offend another club or their fans.

It's all about opinions. I simply thought the Bobby Charlton thread has been derailed numerous times and was turning into another United thread.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

That was my first thought when Tent Peg said his players must not let the emotions distract them.

We spank them and that will be their excuse.

I'll be more than happy should they need to use any excuse for a footballing twating from us.

 

[paulchapo]

@paulchapo - came in here to avoid doing on the Bobby Charlton thread what I had accused others of doing.

I don't find either statements any worse than Bill Shankly saying "there are only two teams in Liverpool - Liverpool and Liverpool reserves." I think fans had thicker skin back then.

I agree he was a bully. We saw it countless times with journalists, referees and his own players but honestly - and I lived through it all - I think we got off quite lightly considering we're his team's local rivals. His comment about knocking Liverpool "right off their fucking perch" had far more vitriol than anything he said about City in my eyes. He also said about Real Madrid that "I wouldn't sell that lot a virus." There's the supposed team talk before the last game of the season - "Lads, it's Tottenham."

One poster was annoyed that Erik Tent Peg had dedicated their win to Charlton's family on Saturday night because it was only Sheffield United and it was only 2-1. My point is that sometimes, a microphone is thrust under a manager's nose and a ridiculous question asked. They've got a couple of seconds to think of an answer that deals with the question, is the right angle from their own club and doesn't offend another club or their fans.

It's all about opinions. I simply thought the Bobby Charlton thread has been derailed numerous times and was turning into another United thread.

Good call to fetch it here to stop derailing the Charlton post.

Football is an emotive sport and it's a love affair. It has to be, in no other form of entertainment would people shell out thousands of pounds, travel hundreds of miles in all kinds of weather, risk getting attacked, with no guarantee that entertainment will be an enjoyable or successful experience. People love their clubs like they love their families .As a result we take any slight, however minor, as a personal insult and attack and react accordingly.

Back in Shankleys day there was no social media and wall to wall coverage of the sport. I'm sure Everton fans were frothing at the mouth back then but had nowhere to vent that anger bar the home, pub, work and terraces. They didn't have thicker skin they just had limited avenues to vent.

Any death of a person in the public eye will always open a much wider debate than just the man and his passing. That just the way life is.

 

[mac]

I don't see any reason to hate Charlton or disrespect his memory for several reasons, but one main one is ever more prudent; we've won.

United are seen as secondary to City in every current clash. We've won multiple Premier League titles, we've won them back-to-back, we've won three in a row and chasing a fourth. We've won the FA Cup, League Cup, once four years running. We've won the pinnacle of European Football and most importantly, we've matched their highest achievement, what that club dined out on for years as the highest accolade not even Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal have acheived or anyone thought possible, The Treble.

Charlton saw it all. He saw us rise and his own club fail. He saw the dilapidated, crumbling Old Trafford looking worse now than when the Germans bombed it. So there's no need to insult his memory further, City have already regained our pride for us where it mattered, on the pitch. Any and every comment he may have made about our club have been well and truly silenced. So I do hope any Blues going to the 'Colander' to reflect that pride back at them. Let them have their respectful moment of reflection for a past player who saw successes at their club... and observed ours.

Well said. I despise the fuckers . But let them do their mourning.