United Thread | 2024/25

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If Amorim fails as well and the money has run out I genuinly think they need to go full circle and go for a David Moyes type of manager next. And I am not trying to be funny.

They will finish around 15th this season, expected points from the last 2 seasons has had them firmly around 10th to 14th, their squad is filled with players that either came from the bench at better clubs abroad or players they have broken years ago, or are youth that are either not good enough or players that they need to sell to comply with PSR if they finish outside of Europe. They are by all intents and purposes a mid-table side already and there is no quick-fix. Their fans are too ignorant to see it but their only player that has delivered a season good enough to drag them anywhere in the last 3 years has just sulked his way to a better club.


If they can accept that they are where they are because they are fucking shite, and if they can get in a manager that can make them a cohesive unit on a budget and stabilise them to statistically be around 6th instead of a stastical anomaly, that is actual something they could build on.
But no let's get in a hipster City wanted that needs to buy a new squad and deliver the elusive title to be deemed a success. He can't win unless he happens to be an all-time great. They ask every manager they hire to do a Ranieri

They have been stuck in the mindset for 10 years that they are a manager or player away from being back to where they think they belong. Their fans see them fluke their way to Europe every other year and think they are underachieving, and that the tools are there for a title-push. But the truth is that the freefall has only just caught up with them. They can admit they are not the same club they were under Ferguson, but their problem is they are not the same club they were under Mourinho. They are Everton before Moyes came in the first time.

The cultural reset they need is to accept this, accept the fact that there is a core of 8 mid-table teams they need to overcome off the pitch before they start chasing the shadows of us and Liverpool. But the morons in their fanbase will never accept this, so they will continue parachuting in any flavor of the month or has-been they can get their hands on with the expectation that this is the one that will be even more of a statistical anomaly than the last one and stabilise them in the top 3.

Until they understand this it will be groundhog day at the swamp
 
Vienna_70 said:
Struggling to comply with PSR rules.

Oh the delicious irony.

Hoist by their own petard.
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Hardly, FFP/PSR came from Germany and France, because they were afraid that the English and Spanish leagues would leave them behind and unable to compete. The Bundesliga have had those rules way before Uefa adopted them. But Platini was the one who introduced it.

Ineos have 68 billion in the bank. And scruffy Jim has 15.8 Billion of his own.

They could quite easily clear the transfer debts or even buy a striker for 100m, but if they did, they would probably be deducted 10 points, which would put them in the relegation zone. A gamble that Forest were willing to take last season.

I don't think any of them lot are fans of the rules, which was evident when scruffy Jim was prevented from moving Todibo from Nice. He was incredulous that such a rule existed.
 
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Vienna_70 said:
Struggling to comply with PSR rules.

Oh the delicious irony.

Hoist by their own petard.
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These cunts are so jammy if they fell into a barrel of cocks they'd come out sucking a tit.

They'll either get away with the debt because we win the case or get a piss easy Europa final against spurs to get in the champions league despite finishing 16th.
 
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ScottSinclair said:
If Amorim fails as well and the money has run out I genuinly think they need to go full circle and go for a David Moyes type of manager next. And I am not trying to be funny.

They will finish around 15th this season, expected points from the last 2 seasons has had them firmly around 10th to 14th, their squad is filled with players that either came from the bench at better clubs abroad or players they have broken years ago, or are youth that are either not good enough or players that they need to sell to comply with PSR if they finish outside of Europe. They are by all intents and purposes a mid-table side already and there is no quick-fix. Their fans are too ignorant to see it but their only player that has delivered a season good enough to drag them anywhere in the last 3 years has just sulked his way to a better club.


If they can accept that they are where they are because they are fucking shite, and if they can get in a manager that can make them a cohesive unit on a budget and stabilise them to statistically be around 6th instead of a stastical anomaly, that is actual something they could build on.
But no let's get in a hipster City wanted that needs to buy a new squad and deliver the elusive title to be deemed a success. He can't win unless he happens to be an all-time great. They ask every manager they hire to do a Ranieri

They have been stuck in the mindset for 10 years that they are a manager or player away from being back to where they think they belong. Their fans see them fluke their way to Europe every other year and think they are underachieving, and that the tools are there for a title-push. But the truth is that the freefall has only just caught up with them. They can admit they are not the same club they were under Ferguson, but their problem is they are not the same club they were under Mourinho. They are Everton before Moyes came in the first time.

The cultural reset they need is to accept this, accept the fact that there is a core of 8 mid-table teams they need to overcome off the pitch before they start chasing the shadows of us and Liverpool. But the morons in their fanbase will never accept this, so they will continue parachuting in any flavor of the month or has-been they can get their hands on with the expectation that this is the one that will be even more of a statistical anomaly than the last one and stabilise them in the top 3.

Until they understand this it will be groundhog day at the swamp
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The age profile of Ineos signings is not gearing up for short term success. But when the older players are phased out, it's going to be a very young squad. It will take Amorim years to turn these lot into a competitive team. YEARS!

Dorgu - 20
Heaven - 18
Leon - 17
Kone - 19
Obi Martin -17
Yoro - 18
Garnacho - 20
Mainoo - 19
Amad - 21
Collyer - 21
Ugarte - 23
 
Citi-leaks said:
The age profile of Ineos signings is not gearing up for short term success. But when the older players are phased out, it's going to be a very young squad. It will take Amorim years to turn these lot into a competitive team. YEARS!

Dorgu - 20
Heaven - 18
Leon - 17
Kone - 19
Obi Martin -17
Yoro - 18
Garnacho - 20
Mainoo - 19
Amad - 21
Collyer - 21
Ugarte - 23
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Only stupid kids getting loads of dosh signing for them.
 
Citi-leaks said:
The age profile of Ineos signings is not gearing up for short term success. But when the older players are phased out, it's going to be a very young squad. It will take Amorim years to turn these lot into a competitive team. YEARS!

Dorgu - 20
Heaven - 18
Leon - 17
Kone - 19
Obi Martin -17
Yoro - 18
Garnacho - 20
Mainoo - 19
Amad - 21
Collyer - 21
Ugarte - 23
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Maybe, I strongly suspect this is more out of necessity than design. The transfer and wage policy they have ran over the last few years have stopped itself. Outside of Yoro who was an opportunistic punt when Madrid were waiting for him to wind down his contract their youth targets are distinctly second rate. Garnacho and Mainoo has been strongly linked away, one of them refusing to sign a new contract. Even the mentioned Yoro is strongly rumoured to still want Madrid, and will probably either move on or fail as a signing which is hardly a ideal situation for United anyway

The rest of the business they have done isn't that different to what they have been doing for years. They have just saved everyone some time and expectations by instead of signing the likes of Casemiro and Varane that are already old and are ready to wind-down their careers on a lower level they sign players like De Ligt, Mazraoi and Ugarte that are younger but already shown that they aren't good enough for the highest level. Primarily because they are cheaper and have resale value. As I said they act as a mid-table club in every aspect other than aspirations
 
Citi-leaks said:
The age profile of Ineos signings is not gearing up for short term success. But when the older players are phased out, it's going to be a very young squad. It will take Amorim years to turn these lot into a competitive team. YEARS!

Dorgu - 20
Heaven - 18
Leon - 17
Kone - 19
Obi Martin -17
Yoro - 18
Garnacho - 20
Mainoo - 19
Amad - 21
Collyer - 21
Ugarte - 23
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That's like a list of star wars characters.
 
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