United Want To Match And Better City's Youth / CFA Academy

[Didsbury Dave]

Exactly. And precisely the point I was making earlier. It's more people involved who talk about then progression of young players. But Pellegrini has the final say and decides who plays in what position in the end.It has nothing to do what player he likes, if they are young or old. He picks them to send out a team to win the game. That's his job. The EDS-managers' job is to deliver players that can actually challenge for a first team spot.

Exactly. Any manager with half a brain cell asks for total control of picking the team, otherwise the club is a Leeds United style joke. And any manager with half a brain cell balances the needs of his whole squad when he puts a team out. But his first priority is going to be to win the game, because he and his family carry the enormous consequences of not doing.

None of our kids are anywhere near ready for our team yet, that's why this whole discussion irritates me. Despite that we've had a procession of kids making their way through the transition period, playing in friendlies alongside big names, scoring goals live on telly in front of 30,000 people, coming on as sub in cup games. People are too blinded by their own gripes to see what's happening right before their eyes.

 

[Chappie]

I will ask again because it got ignored,

Who are the young players who have left because they didn't get enough chances, and who are now good enough to be in City's first team?

Because if the answer is "none", then the argument is over.

There's one out on loan at the minute,who would get in our defence at present
But he is still our player,so
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[Didsbury Dave]

It got ignored because no one is suggesting that players have left that are currently better than what we've got. Yet.

It got ignored because it undermines this whole silly gripe completely.

The club is now bang at the forefront of youth development in Europe, which is why all the best local kids, and many from round the world, choose us.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No, you really aren't lost at all.

He doesn't play kids, because he CHOOSES not to. Not because it's an unacceptable risk or because they are all weaklings or because they are no good, or 'not ready'. He weighs up playing a cb or frank Lampard at cf & thinks 'nah, I'll chuck Pozo in' On another day, he thinks 'shall I bring in Maffeo & give him 20 mins to rest Sagna at the end, with Zabba being out' thinks nah fuckit, I'll gamble on sagna.

It's a 'choice' he makes when he weighs up the pros & cons, not some unwritten rule of 'compromising the team' which all these bullshit artists are feeding us.

The kids don't play, because he chooses to pick the older players because he prefers them.

Oh, well I don't see a problem in that.

The key point is not that he doesn't play them, but WHY he doesn't play them. If it's because he doesn't trust them as much as someone else to help City get the best result, then he's doing his job.

 

[moomba]

It got ignored because it undermines this whole silly gripe completely.

The club is now bang at the forefront of youth development in Europe, which is why all the best local kids, and many from round the world, choose us.

It's undermining a gripe that no-one has.

No matter how many times you pretend otherwise, no one is suggesting that our kids should be starting games week in week out ahead of senior players. Just that we need to start giving them more of a taste, off the bench and in cups.

It'll be a huge boost to everyone at the academy, it will give the kids experience that will be useful when they are needed and it will give the players that MP claims are tired a valuable rest every now and then.

We might he at the forefront of youth development, but until we can start using our kids in the senior team it's all a bit pointless.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I will ask again because it got ignored,

Who are the young players who have left because they didn't get enough chances, and who are now good enough to be in City's first team?

Because if the answer is "none", then the argument is over.

How about reading the thread ?

 

[hgblue]

How about reading the thread ?

He's got a point. It's the job of the manager to decide if any of the youngsters are good enough or ready enough to justify the investment in them that giving them game time in the first team would represent. I watch a fair amount of our youngsters and none of them jump out to me as potentially outstanding players, yet. When that talent emerges I'm sure it will be nurtured and encouraged.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Oh, well I don't see a problem in that.

The key point is not that he doesn't play them, but WHY he doesn't play them. If it's because he doesn't trust them as much as someone else to help City get the best result, then he's doing his job.

And some of us think HE is wrong. Not 'the club', as people keep saying, Pellegrini. Not because the kids are all shit, or weaklings or have bad attitude, or because the team will suddenly drop down the league, but because the manager prefers not to.

That's his choice. If you agree with it that's fine, I don't. I think it's bad management but that's just my opinion.

What I can't abide is this army of fuckwits telling me he has no choice, because of the reasons above. That absolves him of all responsibility & them from having to have any fucking idea whatsoever, what they are talking about & is a fucking stupid & shit argument.

If you agree with Pellegrini that using the experienced players is always better than trying a few kids, that's your perogative as it's mine to think he's wrong.

To be told by these clowns that I'm wrong because 'the club says so' is fucking horseshit.

 

[Neville Kneville]

He's got a point. It's the job of the manager to decide if any of the youngsters are good enough or ready enough to justify the investment in them that giving them game time in the first team would represent. I watch a fair amount of our youngsters and none of them jump out to me as potentially outstanding players, yet. When that talent emerges I'm sure it will be nurtured and encouraged.

Yes it is the manager's job. And I believe it's the manager who is doing that job & I think he's wrong as do some others.

But we are constantly being told we are not allowed to think he's wrong as we are not qualified.

 

[hgblue]

Yes it is the manager's job. And I believe it's the manager who is doing that job & I think he's wrong as do some others.

But we are cobstantly being told we are not allowed to think he's wrong as we are not qualified.

Of course you're allowed to think he's wrong, and I respect your opinion, but I agree with him. Trust me, if I see an outstanding youngster not being given ample game time I'll be right alongside you in the trenches.