US & Israel attack Iran

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Lebanon was probably the real target anyway for Israel. More land grabbing.

 

[Blue Mist]

Talk of a 2m dollar fee for boats using the strait.
Is that realistic?
Not sure what value for the goods on a boat would be.
Imagine it will lead an worldwide increase in inflation.
Thanks Donald

As I've said earlier, it puts the price of oil up. That means it's economically viable for American companies to steal the oil from Venezuela.

Trump has played a blinder

Oh and they are paying the toll in Chinese Yeun not American dollars.

 

[domalino]

As I've said earlier, it puts the price of oil up. That means it's economically viable for American companies to steal the oil from Venezuela.

Trump has played a blinder

Oh and they are paying the toll in Chinese Yeun not American dollars.

This depends on a few things. New Venezuelan projects would need oil to be over $75 to be profitable.

Adding $1 per barrel to pre-war oil prices (60-65) doesn’t make Venezuela profitable, and if oil prices stay as high as they are now, its profitable regardless of Iran charging a toll.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

As I've said earlier, it puts the price of oil up. That means it's economically viable for American companies to steal the oil from Venezuela.

Trump has played a blinder.

For himself and the rest of his mob financially maybe but it's still absolutely terrible for America in the long term.

 

[Blue Mist]

This depends on a few things. New Venezuelan projects would need oil to be over $75 to be profitable.

Adding $1 per barrel to pre-war oil prices (60-65) doesn’t make Venezuela profitable, and if oil prices stay as high as they are now, its profitable regardless of Iran charging a toll.

I am no good at sums so I won't argue with your $1 a barrel extra but $2 million per boat seems a hell of a lot of money that someones got to find and we have to pay for.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Why are you posting things from 2021 when Trump ripped up the JPCOA in 2018?


You wanted them to stick to their side of the treaty and keep letting inspectors in when the US tore up the treaty and imposed a ton of sanctions on them despite them following the terms asked of them?

The only thing the US had to do to keep nuclear weapons away from Iran was stick to the treaty they signed.

And the only thing they had to do in January was accept the proposed surrender of HEU that was on the table and verified by 2 third parties to the negotiations.

Your bullshit doesn’t wash.

That report is from 2025, not 2021. On the part of Trump ripping up the JPCOA is it rational to develop nuclear weapons off the back of that? They can avoid sanctions completely and easily without an agreement but they choose not to. The reason for that is they want to fully invest in regional terrorism.

So why didn't Iran just behave and choose to thrive? 30-40% of Iranians live in outright poverty, 60% of North Koreans live in outright poverty. The North Korean nuclear programme costs nearly 10% of their GDP but nobody attacks North Korea and North Korea doesn't attack them.... And yet still everybody is awfully poor.

So I ask why does Iran need nuclear weapons? What differentiates Iran from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Oman or Egypt? The answer is obvious, none of those are terrorist supporting states. I won't even bother to mention the fact that Iranian drones have killed thousands of Ukrainian civilians.

I know the classic whataboutery answer to all of this will be whatever Israel have done and yes you're 100% correct because they're just as bloody bad.

 

[Blue Mist]

For himself and the rest of his mob financially maybe but it's still absolutely terrible for America in the long term.

He doesn't care about America in the long term.
He cares about himself, his fuckwit family and his very already rich friends.

 

[SiMCFC]

That report is from 2025, not 2021. On the part of Trump ripping up the JPCOA is it rational to develop nuclear weapons off the back of that? They can avoid sanctions completely and easily without an agreement but they choose not to. The reason for that is they want to fully invest in regional terrorism.

So why didn't Iran just behave and choose to thrive? 30-40% of Iranians live in outright poverty, 60% of North Koreans live in outright poverty. The North Korean nuclear programme costs nearly 10% of their GDP but nobody attacks North Korea and North Korea doesn't attack them.... And yet still everybody is awfully poor.

So I ask why does Iran need nuclear weapons? What differentiates Iran from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Oman or Egypt? The answer is obvious, none of those are terrorist supporting states. I won't even bother to mention the fact that Iranian drones have killed thousands of Ukrainian civilians.

I know the classic whataboutery answer to all of this will be whatever Israel have done and yes you're 100% correct because they're just as bloody bad.

It's a chicken or egg first answer though surely? Iran will say they need heavy duty weapons to protect themselves from the Good Guys of the World (USA and Israel). They will in turn say they need to bomb the shit out of them as they are developing nuclear weapons, Iran know full well in a few Years they will just get the same treatment again if Israel decide they are guilty of anything they accuse them of, if that was My Country, damn right i'd start stockpiling ready for the next attack.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Didn't realise we had a war hero here.

I think he’s bang on though.

 

[Ban-jani]

Israel don't do ceasefires.

The Usa needs to rein them in once and for all.
Unfortunately,the Usa don't do reining in the Israeli's.
So fuck knows what will happen next.

They need to be incredibly careful here Israel, I think it’s finally dawning on Trump that this conflict is a terrible idea and he’s looking for a way out. He’s unpredictable and impulsive, he acts on gut feel, there’s every chance Netanyahu could piss him off enough that Trump just abandons them. It’ll get very lonely very quickly in the Middle East without the US being their guarantor.

 

[Blue Maverick]

They won't fight mate and to be honest i wouldn't blame them.

At what point would you expect them to fight, conscription would likely mean Europe been attacked, don’t wait until the enemy crosses the channel or give it a go a bit earlier?

 

[We've got Guardiola]

It's a chicken or egg first answer though surely? Iran will say they need heavy duty weapons to protect themselves from the Good Guys of the World (USA and Israel). They will in turn say they need to bomb the shit out of them as they are developing nuclear weapons, Iran know full well in a few Years they will just get the same treatment again if Israel decide they are guilty of anything they accuse them of, if that was My Country, damn right i'd start stockpiling ready for the next attack.

Is it a chicken or egg though? Context is important because what is Iran defending themselves from and why? This is like saying Russia needs nuclear weapons to defend itself and that's true but why is every European nuclear weapon currently pointing at Moscow? It turns out that the chicken came first and was an absolute knobhead.

It does not wash that Iran needs nuclear weapons to defend themselves. What they really need nuclear weapons for is to defend their regional terrorist industry and use nukes as a blackmail tool. Those on here know that so they support it out of solidarity with any resistance of Israel. This ideology creates a very dangerous ground and it vacates any positions on international law or neutrality.

Iranian drones are attacking European soil in Ukraine and there are people on here who don't have a problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. I'd hope that it's blatantly obvious why this is total lunacy? Otherwise who should be allowed to get 'defensive' nuclear weapons next? ISIS, the Taliban?

 

[Ban-jani]

Context is important because what is Iran defending themselves from and why?

I’m loathe to defend the Iranian regime but surely this question now has the most obvious answer in world politics?

 

[BTH]

Israel don't do ceasefires.

The Usa needs to rein them in once and for all.
Unfortunately,the Usa don't do reining in the Israeli's.
So fuck knows what will happen next.

I'm note sure how the US can rein them in when they arm them to the teeth to the tune of $3.8 billion every year.

 

[117 M34]

Is it a chicken or egg though? Context is important because what is Iran defending themselves from and why? This is like saying Russia needs nuclear weapons to defend itself and that's true but why is every European nuclear weapon currently pointing at Moscow? It turns out that the chicken came first and was an absolute knobhead.

It does not wash that Iran needs nuclear weapons to defend themselves. What they really need nuclear weapons for is to defend their regional terrorist industry and use nukes as a blackmail tool. Those on here know that so they support it out of solidarity with any resistance of Israel. This ideology creates a very dangerous ground and it vacates any positions on international law or neutrality.

Iranian drones are attacking European soil in Ukraine and there are people on here who don't have a problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. I'd hope that it's blatantly obvious why this is total lunacy? Otherwise who should be allowed to get 'defensive' nuclear weapons next? ISIS, the Taliban?

Why does anyone need nuclear weapons?

If Iran had developed nuclear weapons 2 years ago, would israel be attacking them now?

 

[Kinkybyname]

She’s a sociopathic, sycophantic, plastic faced, lying ****.

...would love to meet...

 

[lust overlord]

I'm note sure how the US can rein them in when they arm them to the teeth to the tune of $3.8 billion every year.

Well they could(they wont),tell them to get in line or that funding will cease.

 

[Wayne.JS]

I am no good at sums so I won't argue with your $1 a barrel extra but $2 million per boat seems a hell of a lot of money that someones got to find and we have to pay for.

On average, the cost of oil on a tanker was $150 million, days before the straits were closed.

 

[Postman Pep]

Is it a chicken or egg though?

Good question

Context is important because what is Iran defending themselves from and why?

Absolutely ....

This is like saying Russia needs nuclear weapons to defend itself and that's true but why is every European nuclear weapon currently pointing at Moscow? It turns out that the chicken came first and was an absolute knobhead.

...... thanks for the context .... can't even spell nobhead.

It does not wash that Iran needs nuclear weapons to defend themselves.

Kim Jung whatever disagrees ... no fucker wants to play with his deterrence.

What they really need nuclear weapons for is to defend their regional terrorist industry and use nukes as a blackmail tool. Those on here know that so they support it out of solidarity with any resistance of Israel. This ideology creates a very dangerous ground and it vacates any positions on international law or neutrality.

Imagine banging out 'regional terrorist industry', 'blackmail' and 'international law' to obfuscate from your solidarity with the genocidal rogue state of Israel.

Say it out loud you fucking coward.

Iranian drones are attacking European soil in Ukraine and there are people on here who don't have a problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. I'd hope that it's blatantly obvious why this is total lunacy? Otherwise who should be allowed to get 'defensive' nuclear weapons next? ISIS, the Taliban?

I mean the reformed takfiri president of Syria was on another tour of European capitals last week and hosting Zelensky this week ...... whatever next indeed.

Given the insanity of the timeline I'm not into predictions aside from you not have any grasp on anything beyond easily repeatable soundbites.

 

[domalino]

On the part of Trump ripping up the JPCOA is it rational to develop nuclear weapons off the back of that? They can avoid sanctions completely and easily without an agreement but they choose not to.

Sorry but every single post just reveals how ignorant you are to this.

Iran and the US agreed no HEU in return for dropping sanctions. Trump ripped up the deal and imposed the heaviest sanctions he could on them.

So to then turn around and say Iran could avoid sanctions without an agreement is complete and utter bullshit.

Similarly, we know they were agreeing to get rid of all their HEU in January peace talks. Both the UK and Omani representatives thought they were acting in good faith. They got attacked anyway.

As to why Iran thinks it needs nuclear weapons, you literally just answered that question yourself with North Korea. Ukraine and Libya other glaring examples.