US & Israel attack Iran

Metal Biker said:
So shoudln't the world community step in now and ensure the people get the freedom that many tens of thousands have been executed by this very regime for advocating?

We all want sovereignty for Ukraine, we all want recognition and self-determination for Palestine. Why do the Iranians seem to get overlooked? One major obstacle has been removed in that situation. I'm not about to praise Israel or the US for doing it. For me that's not the takeaway from this situation.
The figurehead of the regime is gone, after ONE day's aggression. It should make the rest of his regime shit themselves. The UN and all it's members now should focus of stabalising the region.
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I agree totally but the problem is the UN carries no weight, it has been emasculated by successive US presidents, and Russia pays no attention to it either. And possibly the worst offender is Israel who are in breach of god knows how many resolutions. Sadly the UN is a dream that died. And it leaves us in a world where might is right.
 
robbieh said:
I agree totally but the problem is the UN carries no weight, it has been emasculated by successive US presidents, and Russia pays no attention to it either
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Don’t forget the Board of Peace will step in as long as Iran pays Trump billions of course.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Iran will just fracture, they are tribalistic and splits in religion. Trump telling them to rise up has echoes of Bush senior with the Kurds and Saddam slaughtered them. They may have killed the leadership but there will be cunts in waiting who won’t want to give up their power over the people because they know they’ll be hung in the streets for what they’ve done to ordinary people.
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I guess the Trump admin theory would be that by taking out Maduro, Khameni etc. when they’re behaviour drifts too far out of line but not dismantling the entire regime, you’re saying to the people that replace the deposed leaders that they have a choice, either be a bit better or get the same treatment.

Its not an attempt to promote proper democratic revolution that could potentially turn these countries around, its more knocking them back into a level of despotism the United States will tolerate.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think it's probably likely that there is no plan from the US/Israel for 'what now'.

Who's going to organise a country 6 times the size of the UK with about 90 million people with all sorts of traditions?

It also looks clear that there is no point believing anything Trump says. A day or two after negotiating which appears to be in bad faith given the statements that this has been planned for ages. Only last night he was claiming (and with what jurisdiction is anybody's guess that the Republican Guard will all be absolved.
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In other words war lords, religious zealots, murderers, chancers, any fucker will seek to run the country and thousands will die as a result.

Meanwhile the Orange Shit Gibbon will attack someone else. Yeh great result.
 
remember arthur mann said:
You've got his number
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Blue Anorak isn’t saying the US and Israel are in it for freedom and democracy. I have absolutely no idea why people think that’s the point he’s making.

His point is, the Iranian civilians, who have risen up over recent months, to expel the Islamic extremist regime, now may have an opportunity to overthrow it and could have a window to succeed in their goals, which is democracy.

It’s fucking insanity people cannot separate criticism for the Ayatollah with praise for Trump or Netanyahu. That’s not what it is.
 
robbieh said:
I agree totally but the problem is the UN carries no weight, it has been emasculated by successive US presidents, and Russia pays no attention to it either. And possibly the worst offender is Israel who are in breach of god knows how many resolutions. Sadly the UN is a dream that died. And it leaves us in a world where might is right.
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As we've seen today. It seems the only way this word can correct the current wrongs. Ukrainians can attest to that. Protests and good intentions do nothing. Action does. Today, action was taken, and not before long.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Depends who has the bigger and most guns, imagine all those women who have been abusing other women for not wearing headdress, they will get a good kicking
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Again, yes. How many is acceptable to those glorying in the killing in the leader?

Two countries acted without jurisdiction to kill the leader; if the others on the Bored of Peace knew details, they'll be viewed with suspicion too.

I can't see that it'll go well to have other countries tell Iranians how to run their country, and I don't see any chance that any other country will want to put any troops into the vast area, even if there are only a few heavily populated cities (Tehran is the size of London, with around 16m of the 92m people in the greater urban area).
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Again, yes. How many is acceptable to those glorying in the killing in the leader?

Two countries acted without jurisdiction to kill the leader; if the others on the Bored of Peace knew details, they'll be viewed with suspicion too.

I can't see that it'll go well to have other countries tell Iranians how to run their country, and I don't see any chance that any other country will want to put any troops into the vast area, even if there are only a few heavily populated cities (Tehran is the size of London, with around 16m of the 92m people in the greater urban area).
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The regime was killing tens of thousands of their own civilians, estimated at 30,000 (that we know of) in massacres up and down the country.

Puts it into perspective, doesn't it. Don't act like the regime was all sweet and innocent before this weekends offensives.
 
domalino said:
I guess the Trump admin theory would be that by taking out Maduro, Khameni etc. when they’re behaviour drifts too far out of line but not dismantling the entire regime, you’re saying to the people that replace the deposed leaders that they have a choice, either be a bit better or get the same treatment.

Its not an attempt to promote proper democratic revolution that could potentially turn these countries around, its more knocking them back into a level of despotism the United States will tolerate.
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I think that last line is the key goal. Client states, while ignoring that maybe that might cause resentment amongst the people, resentment that someone else will have to sort out.

The US actions this year have demonstrated that abduction of leaders and murder of leaders is now acceptable to international diplomacy. Or will it be only for the 'right' sort of decapitations?
 
Metal Biker said:
Correct. it'll be what the Free Iranians themselves decided. They could turn around and say 'thanks America...but no thanks' and choose their own path. The fact is, which many shills on here fail to observe, is that it will be THEIR choice, and the World Community must make sure every step is taken so that happens, that it is fair and free from intolerance, coercion, intimidation and violence.
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Lol. Like this isn't why we are where we are.

What like in Iraq?

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Trump warns Iraq against re-electing Nouri al-Maliki

US President Donald Trump warned on Tuesday that the United States would stop supporting Iraq if former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, backed by pro-Iranian Shia parties, returned to power. Trump …
www.middleeastmonitor.com www.middleeastmonitor.com

Or in Syria where the ex chief ISIS headchopper had an 'election' in which he appointed a third of the delegates and the remaining 2 thirds were appointed by a committee appointed by his 'regime'.

Pretty laughable coming from someone who is always on the front foot when it comes to pushing back on 'woke liberal nonsense'.
 
No uprising can succeed without the backing of the regular army. Since its officers remain loyal to the Islamic Republic and the Supreme Leader, it’s highly unlikely they would support any move against the regime.
 
Metal Biker said:
The regime was killing tens of thousands of their own civilians, estimated at 30,000 (that we know of) in massacres up and down the country.

Puts it into perspective, doesn't it. Don't act like the regime was all sweet and innocent before this weekends offensives.
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I haven't, and to suggest otherwise is proper pillockry.

Read the posts. Political nature abhors a vacuum, and this has left a vacuum.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I haven't, and to suggest otherwise is proper pillockry.

Read the posts. Political nature abhors a vacuum, and this has left a vacuum.
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Because the Iranians could just vote them out, couldn't they.

Meanwhile women, and all those who refused to accept the strict laws of the regime, would be left alone in peace, right? Iranians, themselves, sent out a call for help to the world. It was answered.
 
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