US & Israel attack Iran

oldius said:
The US get right on my tits.
I was born in 1968, and they have been involved in more wars than any nation I can think of during that time. I cannot think of a positive long-term outcome to the wars they have been involved in, and our support of them has brought some terror to our streets.
It is not for them to unilaterally decide to attack another nation.
It is not for them to impose leadership on a nation.
To have Netanyahu by their side as a moral ally is preposterous, standing as he does as the commander of a nation slaughtering 72,000 Gazans in the last two years alone.
To have Trump leading the way, convicted felon and sex-abuser that he is, acting as moral judge over the world's regimes, is equally offensive.
It is absolutely time for us to completely abandon the US and Israel as historic allies. I foresee nothing but trouble if we continue to support their heinous acts.
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IIRC The United States has been at war for 233 of their 250 year existence.
 
Grassland Blue said:
One of the things that the U.S.did was to fund the IRA through NORAID.
Maybe forgiven but never forgotten.

I can see increased terrorist activity by 'Islamists' in the UK as a warped response to the elimination of Khomeini (spits).

Good luck to the Iranians, the citizens, who have been given a chance to live away from the oppression of the previous regime.
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Glad someone mentioned the state sponserd terrorism the good old US of A supplied against British troops on British soil.
They really are the cunts of all cunts.
And I for one will never forget or forgive I hate everything about the American dictatorship.

Not to mention explosives used on the British mainland to kill and mame innocent civilians
 
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Metal Biker said:
Am I not? So you decide to chime in, did you.

You can keep trying but my position is still the same: we assist the Iranians by taking out the regime members that they cannot. Then they, the masses, reclaim their institutions one by one, no need for boots on the ground or military intervention. You can continue pooh-poohing the notion of a nation of oppressed people being free because you hate Orange Man more than you love the idea of Iranians being free from oppression. (I hate Orange Man too, but i'm not blind to the situation in Iran.)
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So naive.

It will take a lot more than blowing up some of the bad guys to bring about regime change.

The regime has the country in a vice like grip. The only thing this action is likely to achieve is a large number of deaths.
 
Metal Biker said:
You make an awful lot of assumptions don't you. Is the main reason you're sad about the Ayatollah being gone because they were the regime financing your favourite 'freedom fighters'? See I can make wild assumptions about you, too. It's best to avoid that narrative, that is if you want to have a decent and calm conversation.

It's quite clear we're not going to see eye to eye on this, so it's best we leave it there. You will never convince me that assisting the Iranian people or that a world without Khamenei is a bad situation to be in. Respond to this if you wish, I won't reply to it though.
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Getting told what I already know by you again. I know you won’t reply — I already predicted it. You’ll disappear as soon as things go pear-shaped. I will never see eye-to-eye with people who believe the ends justify the means.
 
Palerider said:
That's an excuse to do nothing surely? Now we will never ever get to a place where the world and people are perfect but not trying is giving up. Something better, not perfect but better, will emerge for the people of Iran and that is a good thing.
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We could try banning large beards
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Getting told what I already know by you again. I know you won’t reply — I already predicted it. You’ll disappear as soon as things go pear-shaped. I will never see eye-to-eye with people who believe the ends justify the means.
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If anything goes "pear-shaped in Iran", it'll be because of cowards like you not wanting to press the advantage that they now have.
 
Monkfish said:
These cells are sat at home with a pile of homemade bombs waiting for a good reason to blow up a train/concert/bus/airport? They just need a good excuse?
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These are ethical murdering terror cells, remember. They follow the Geneva Convention and everything!
 
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