US & Israel attack Iran

Seeing the latest videos on Twitter, presuming they're real, I think a trip to fill up the car this afternoon is probably needed.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I think it was a good point. There are people who do not believe that Israel should exist and that by default can only mean that they want to eliminate Israel from the map given the fact that Israel does exist? Or do they believe in some bizarre reality where Israel should not exist whilst at the same time yes it should exist? Hmm.

These same people align with Iran because Iran too does not want Israel to exist and so they are quite clearly defending Iran's objective to acquire nuclear weapons to potentially enact that reality. It makes no sense that the likes of the Green Party can oppose nuclear weapons here but is in favour of nuclear weapons for Iran.

Iranian government members literally chanted in their Parliament death to Israel, death to America and death to England and then burnt the American flag mere months ago.

Are these the kind of people who are peaceful and should be trusted with nuclear weapons? Probably not! I don't really like the interventionist approach but would the Middle East be better off without religious zealots armed with nuclear weapons with a clear plan on their use? I'd say so.
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Fair post. I cannot see any chance of a permanent peace in the Middle East until everyone accepts Israels right to exist. Accept Israel, accept a Palestinian state and live your lives. How difficult is that?
 
Palerider said:
Fair post. I cannot see any chance of a permanent peace in the Middle East until everyone accepts Israels right to exist. Accept Israel, accept a Palestinian state and live your lives. How difficult is that?
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Totally agree, no problem with any of that.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
All the lunatics yelling about Gaza and genocide would be cheering like fuck if Iran managed to carry out a genuine genocide on Israel. Shows up what absolute hypocrites they are.
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So let me get this right you myopic shill, if someone makes mention of the FACT of Israel’s genocide in Gaza then they’re a “lunatic”, whereas you get to make up a non-existent hypothetical for which you then come up with an outcome (that’s suits your myopic Israel loving viewpoint) simply so you can then call them “fucking hypocrites”.

Yeah Colin, they’re not the lunatics here. You’ve jumped the cunting shark.
 
hampshireblue said:
Muscat is open and safe. The alternative is to come via Saudi. Or alternatively when the airspace is open, which would suggest it is not an active war zone, if they make use of government sponsored transport then they should have to pay towards it.
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Muscat maybe "open and safe", but try getting there from Qatar or even UAE, Saudi isn't the easiest place to get into either. There is very little air travel available apart from Oman and Saudi.

It's very easy to be flippant about "tax dodging ex-pats", but what about the tourists ? How many flights from UK last Thursday/Friday, those tourists are now stuck there through no fault of their own, and this is a popular time of year to be in the UAE for a holiday, because the weather isn't too hot yet. That said Etihad do seem to be operating some flights again, on route to Heathrow Paris and Amsterdam currently.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Breaking on Sky news, Trump says he is “very disappointed in Starmer over Iran”

Easy for Trump to criticise Starmer but those Iranian weapons can reach the UK and I don’t think we have an iron dome?
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Nobody really has an "Iron Dome", air defences have always been overstated in their capabilities. Just have to look at Bahrain and Tel Aviv right now to see this. Some things always get through.

The Patriot system is the cheapest missile at about $2m per go on the US bases and production time is in the years. Standard procedure is to fire 2-3 to take down a threat. The Iranian drones cost $25,000 a pop and were somewhat humorously described recently by an American general as "goddamn toy aeroplanes with bombs on them".

The economics of the situation require the involvement of us otherwise the Us/Israel are going to be bled dry. Iran's capabilities are so often schizophrenically stated in the West. Israel takes them extremely seriously as a military threat and that should tell people all they need to know.

Also, for regime change we're going to need boots on the ground and the terrain in Iran is so ridiculous that it will make Afghanistan look like Venezuela. Nobody is winning a land war in Persia.

It really depends on what the UK wants. Homeland missile strikes are probably not on the table to be honest, but terrorism is. It's not a direct analogy but the US has just assassinated the Shiite Pope. That tends to upset more than just Iranians.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Iran under Khamenei has (had) a state goal to eliminate Israel so why would Israel allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons? They have also armed terrorist organisations who have directly attacked Israel. Iran isn't a peaceful state, how can we allow them to obtain nuclear weapons? Even the gulf states are completely against allowing this.

Have Iran even attempted to acquire nuclear weapons? They say no, so why were they enriching weapons grade nuclear material at great cost? They are clearly lying so why should we just allow that to continue?

I am totally against what Israel is doing in Gaza, they should be held to account for that. Do I however support a terrorist regime in Tehran which seeks to kill Israeli's? Absolutely not and that regime would now like to kill you too if it had the opportunity.

This is where the peace merchants on here get it all wrong when they repeat crap about international law on genocide whilst justifying the genocide that ultimately Iran would like to inflict upon Israel or us.
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This is why am really troubled with and scared of people with views like you just presented here. It is this us vs them narrative where I need to be on on or other side.

Aside from pure half and non truths you somehow squeeze into your post, why bring on Gaza and peace merchants into the context that has nothing to do with what is discussed here.

This all just feels the person is repeatedly asked to say blue colour he/she has be shown is actually red, while under lobotomy procedure.

There is a great documentary, I believe it can be still watched on iPlayer, called "HyperNormalisation" that really goes into details what is happening to us. We are just conditioned to think about other people being conditioned to think about us...it is just crazy!
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Iran under Khamenei has (had) a state goal to eliminate Israel so why would Israel allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons?
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Why should the US be allowed to keep a huge nuclear arsenal. 3 weeks ago Trump was talking about invading Greenland.

The whole 'this country is and that one isn't allowed' to have nuclear weapons, is quite frankly ridiculous and appears to be based entirely in colonialism. The United States is still the only country to have used a nuclear weapon in an armed conflict, but yeah they get the green light?
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Why should the US be allowed to keep a huge nuclear arsenal. 3 weeks ago Trump was talking about invading Greenland.

The whole 'this country is and that one isn't allowed' to have nuclear weapons, is quite frankly ridiculous and appears to be based entirely in colonialism. The United States is still the only country to have used a nuclear weapon in an armed conflict, but yeah they get the green light?
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I don't think anybody is happy with any countries having nuclear weapons, it's just not possible to get them to disarm. Stopping new countries get nuclear weapons is a noble goal.

Not that Iran is or ever was anywhere near that, it's considered complete propaganda by experts in the field. There's a great video going round of Bibi claiming Iran is just about to get a nuclear weapon repeatedly for 30 straight years
 
Damocles said:
I don't think anybody is happy with any countries having nuclear weapons, it's just not possible to get them to disarm. Stopping new countries get nuclear weapons is a noble goal.

Not that Iran is or ever was anywhere near that, it's considered complete propaganda by experts in the field. There's a great video going round of Bibi claiming Iran is just about to get a nuclear weapon repeatedly for 30 straight years
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Iran posed absolutely no existential threat whole thing is fucking ridiculous and once again power hungry psychopaths who run the worlds elite countries, are destabiling everything.
 
Damocles said:
Nobody really has an "Iron Dome", air defences have always been overstated in their capabilities. Just have to look at Bahrain and Tel Aviv right now to see this. Some things always get through.

The Patriot system is the cheapest missile at about $2m per go on the US bases and production time is in the years. Standard procedure is to fire 2-3 to take down a threat. The Iranian drones cost $25,000 a pop and were somewhat humorously described recently by an American general as "goddamn toy aeroplanes with bombs on them".

The economics of the situation require the involvement of us otherwise the Us/Israel are going to be bled dry. Iran's capabilities are so often schizophrenically stated in the West. Israel takes them extremely seriously as a military threat and that should tell people all they need to know.

Also, for regime change we're going to need boots on the ground and the terrain in Iran is so ridiculous that it will make Afghanistan look like Venezuela. Nobody is winning a land war in Persia.

It really depends on what the UK wants. Homeland missile strikes are probably not on the table to be honest, but terrorism is. It's not a direct analogy but the US has just assassinated the Shiite Pope. That tends to upset more than just Iranians.
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People seem to forget the United Kingdom’s most recent attempt at regime change during the Arab spring in Libya. We went ideology changing by bombing and hoping the locals would do the rest on the ground. The cause and effect of that is radicalised nut jobs killing 22 people at the Manchester arena. We should be nowhere near this.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Iran posed absolutely no existential threat whole thing is fucking ridiculous and once again power hungry psychopaths who run the worlds elite countries, are destabiling everything.
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Iran and Israel are existential threats to each other and will remain so until one of them has a regime change.
 
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