US & Israel attack Iran

Ribble73 said:
There’s no real historical precedent really for what this regime is about -the Nazis weren’t Millenarian lunatics hell bent on acquiring Nuclear Weapons to bring about the end times
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The Iranians have constantly and repeated told everybody that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons, and in fact the leader they just assassinated issued public instructions to the country stating that they were forbidden to try. And they always submitted to IAEA inspections on their nuclear facilities and before the Us/Israel kicked off, were sat in Vienna about to sign a document that gave even more access to nuclear inspectors and included the words that Iran would "never ever" attempt to build a nuclear weapon.

The nuke angle is complete bollocks. Frankly, if Iran had nuclear weapons then Israel would have been glassed already. They're in a total war against a country they see as their mortal enemies and they've just killed their religious leader and a number of their political leaders.
 
argyle said:
This is the same argument people made for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.

No one liked the previous leaders of those countries just like no one likes/liked Irans leaders now.

What people are concerned about is what happens now and after.

America has shown that it's good at dropping bombs but awful at planning for what comes after and the unintended consequences.
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This poster has demonstrated over and over and over that he doesn’t care about nor understand long-order consequences.

Which is why he supported Trump but now would be happy to see him overthrown in a coup, except based on this masterful diplomatic stroke, now probably supports a third term for him.
 
I just realised - Trumps tie - he wants to award himself a Purple Heart doesn't he? If so irony would have been taken out the back and shot through the back of its head
 
Metal Biker said:
So what should have happened?

The regime continues slaughtering the protestors and dissenters in their tens of thousands until they're all gone?
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This is a bad argument because there's regimes in the world that are doing MUCH worse than Iran. Unless you're proposing the US/Israel become the moral policemen of the world and depose them too?

This is absolutely not about the people of Iran and it's foolish to think anybody in either country cares about them as a primary goal.
 
argyle said:
This is the same argument people made for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.

No one liked the previous leaders of those countries just like no one likes/liked Irans leaders now.

What people are concerned about is what happens now and after.

America has shown that it's good at dropping bombs but awful at planning for what comes after and the unintended consequences.
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An oppressed people, who used the internet to post videos calling for international intervention and help, showing tens of thousands all over the country, rising up in protest against their despotic leader, only for same despotic leader to start imprisoning, torturing and executing tens of thousands of his own people, finally gets offed and usher in a chance of hope and peace for a suffering and oppressed people.


A gaggle of posters on a football forum:
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Damocles said:
This is a bad argument because there's regimes in the world that are doing MUCH worse than Iran. Unless you're proposing the US/Israel become the moral policemen of the world and depose them too?

This is absolutely not about the people of Iran and it's foolish to think anybody in either country cares about them as a primary goal.
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Absolutely not, nor have I credited them for killing Khamenei.

A chance of hope for a new future is now available for the people of Iran who were being oppressed. I don't care what Trump or Netenyahu intend to get from this. The people of Iran have a chance to determine their own future. That's where my attention is focused on right now.
 
Metal Biker said:
Absolutely not, nor have I credited them for killing Khamenei.

A chance of hope for a new future is now available for the people of Iran who were being oppressed. I don't care what Trump or Netenyahu intend to get from this. The people of Iran have a chance to determine their own future. That's where my attention is focused on right now.
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Agree, that would be the utopian view. But these regime changes tend to create a new and bigger monster historically.
 
Metal Biker said:
An oppressed people, who used the internet to post videos calling for international intervention and help, showing tens of thousands all over the country, rising up in protest against their despotic leader, only for same despotic leader to start imprisoning, torturing and executing tens of thousands of his own people, finally gets offed and usher in a chance of hope and peace for a suffering and oppressed people.


A gaggle of posters on a football forum:
the-office-michael-scott.gif
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We don’t hate it for the 87,000th time.

We are justifiably concerned about the CONSEQUENCES and the PRECEDENT especially given WHO spearheaded it.

YOU aren’t. Why can you not just simply own this? You believe the removal of a murderous despot is MORE IMPORTANT than the consequences or the precedent. We don’t. We might change our minds if the second- and third-order impacts are negligible. Will you if they result in more suffering and death for innocents inside and outside of Iran?

How is this so difficult for you to understand?
 
Damocles said:
Agree, that would be the utopian view. But these regime changes tend to create a new and bigger monster historically.
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I do tend to look at the hopeful side of things, usually.

For example, I still think we can win the Carabao Cup and Premier League.

My hope is, that that scenario you mentioned can be avoided. That the surge of positive thinking in Iran is as strong as the people there and refugees across the world have led us to believe. I may be satisfied that becomes the case or I may be horribly disappointed. But right now, I live in hope that the futre of Iran I want to see will come to fruition. I don't see that as a bad opinion to have.
 
Metal Biker said:
An oppressed people, who used the internet to post videos calling for international intervention and help, showing tens of thousands all over the country, rising up in protest against their despotic leader, only for same despotic leader to start imprisoning, torturing and executing tens of thousands of his own people, finally gets offed and usher in a chance of hope and peace for a suffering and oppressed people.


A gaggle of posters on a football forum:
the-office-michael-scott.gif
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I imagine the people of Gaza have been asking for help too.
 
Damocles said:
The Iranians have constantly and repeated told everybody that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons, and in fact the leader they just assassinated issued public instructions to the country stating that they were forbidden to try. And they always submitted to IAEA inspections on their nuclear facilities and before the Us/Israel kicked off, were sat in Vienna about to sign a document that gave even more access to nuclear inspectors and included the words that Iran would "never ever" attempt to build a nuclear weapon.

The nuke angle is complete bollocks. Frankly, if Iran had nuclear weapons then Israel would have been glassed already. They're in a total war against a country they see as their mortal enemies and they've just killed their religious leader and a number of their political leaders.
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So what the Iranian regime said -Taqqiya on the World Stage -everything they actually did suggested they would do whatever it took to wipe out Israel which included decades devoted to developing weapons grade Uranium along with the endless funding of Hamas/ Hezbollah etc
 
Metal Biker said:
An oppressed people, who used the internet to post videos calling for international intervention and help, showing tens of thousands all over the country, rising up in protest against their despotic leader, only for same despotic leader to start imprisoning, torturing and executing tens of thousands of his own people, finally gets offed and usher in a chance of hope and peace for a suffering and oppressed people.


A gaggle of posters on a football forum:
the-office-michael-scott.gif
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Just like those chances of hope for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria...

We'd all love for people in every country to be free of oppression.

But regime change through bombs and American intervention throughout recent history hasn't gone well.

That's all anyone is saying and what they're concerned about.
 
argyle said:
Just like those chances of hope for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria...

We'd all love for people in every country to be free of oppression.

But regime change through bombs and American intervention throughout recent history hasn't gone well.

That's all anyone is saying and what they're concerned about.
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And they can be.

But why barrage me about wanting what's best for the Iranian people and not being overly concerned that the one orchestrating the torture, false imprisonment and murder of civilians will no longer be a factor in the future or Iran?
 
robbieh said:
Yes but comparing it to Nazi Germany is ridiculous as you well know.
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I've never said anything like that, certainly not openly. I'll check back through my posts but I don't think I ever did, and i'd be wrong if I had done.

Edit: just checked. Nothing about Nazi Germany comparisons at all. You must have mistaken me for someone else.
 
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oldius said:
I imagine the people of Gaza have been asking for help too.
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They have, and the UK didn't get involved with that either did they.

What, you think i'll shed tears if Netenyahu bites it?! Not at all!
 
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