US & Israel attack Iran

robbieh said:
Good point. I have read although don't know how true that if the brics countries started purchasing oil in a currency other than dollars this would seriously impact the American economy.
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It's possible but the only currencies you could use would be what are known as 'fiat' currencies backed by major developed nations. That would be Euros or Chinese Yuan, possibly Sterling. There was an agreement between the US & OPEC some years ago that their oil would be traded in dollars, so that would have to be broken.

There would be less need for foreign countries to hold dollars but they'd still need to hold some to pay for other goods and services, so the impact on the US probably wouldn't be catastrophic. Might impact exchange rates but that's probably the biggest impact.
 
From The Grauniad...

"Khamenei’s son, Mojtaba Khamenei, 56, has emerged as the frontrunner to replace his father as Iran’s supreme leader, the New York Times has reported, citing Iranian officials. Israeli defence minister Israel Katz said his military will attempt to kill any Iranian leader appointed to succeed Khamenei."

So what is Iran supposed to do re a leader?
 
SWP's back said:
The media aren’t showing anywhere near as much of the rockets getting through in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv that one can see on Reddit and TikTok. There’s very much a media blackout or media reduction on the damage Iran is doing.
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Don't doubt it at all, but I was only saying why there was little coverage from Tehran, apart from the internet being down, there are few foreign correspondents there, and almost certainly no western ones, but that was from well before this started.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Agree with you, I’m not prepared to kill anyone no matter how abusive we imagine they or their government is. In all of the current crisis has anyone other than Spain declared killing people is not okay it’s wrong, we’ve been drawn into accepting killing on a mass scale is acceptable. Its murder over a thousand already in Iran and Gaza untold thousands dead.

We have weak government Starmer has been blackmailed by Trump to allow our bases to be used
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Me neither mate couldn’t see myself killing another human being but others do without a second thought thinks in our nature.
My Grandfather definitely killed men he wasn’t happy about it, or losing a brother killed my other men it affected him his entire life, my own father as a 19 year old boy almost certainly aided in killing many people. Deferent times I suppose don’t know what you’d do if you have to I suppose :-(
 
BTH said:
From The Grauniad...

"Khamenei’s son, Mojtaba Khamenei, 56, has emerged as the frontrunner to replace his father as Iran’s supreme leader, the New York Times has reported, citing Iranian officials. Israeli defence minister Israel Katz said his military will attempt to kill any Iranian leader appointed to succeed Khamenei."

So what is Iran supposed to do re a leader?
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They could give it to Giggsy till the end of the war.
 
BTH said:
From The Grauniad...

"Khamenei’s son, Mojtaba Khamenei, 56, has emerged as the frontrunner to replace his father as Iran’s supreme leader, the New York Times has reported, citing Iranian officials. Israeli defence minister Israel Katz said his military will attempt to kill any Iranian leader appointed to succeed Khamenei."

So what is Iran supposed to do re a leader?
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Maybe Israel wants Pahlavi as the leader. Although Trump has indicated that Pahlavi is not capably strong to lead a new Iran regime, there are many exiled Iranians who are pro-Pahlavi and want him the next leader.

If Reza Pahlavi is chosen by vote by majority of Iranians within Iran, then that’s open to their decision. So long as he is not like his father, who established SAVAK with the assistance and training from Mossad and killed the many Ayatollahs before 1979.

Of course Israel had a huge loss when Shah Pahlavi was ousted.
 
cleavers said:
Don't doubt it at all, but I was only saying why there was little coverage from Tehran, apart from the internet being down, there are few foreign correspondents there, and almost certainly no western ones, but that was from well before this started.
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They (Iran) are maybe playing the long game?

It’s been made known that US-Israel started the attack, but what if Iran made a double-bluff poker and enticed, without aggression, a US attack?

Because right now, they believe they now have every reason for them to destroy US army bases and embassies in various Middle East countries, includinh the very expensive high-tech radars. US now has lower military coverage of the vicinity.

At the same time, their attacking US in the Middle East push the tycoons and billionaires to flee for safety and then out of the market, which may in the long run impact on the arab economy. Double barrelled response, military and business.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Could be. I understood both were very expensive relative to the incoming armament; eg we've had reports of RAF F35 shooting down drones with air to air missiles. But could be wrong.
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Yep it’s cost and affect Germany’s V1s cost us a lot more to knock down than it cost Germany to build them, thing was it was a cost we could stand and Germany couldn’t.
Our Typhoons have taken Irans version out above Iraq as well, it’s a case of how long each side can continue, Irans manufacturing and storage is continuing to be attacked where as Americans production facilities are out of reach.
 
BTH said:
From The Grauniad...

"Khamenei’s son, Mojtaba Khamenei, 56, has emerged as the frontrunner to replace his father as Iran’s supreme leader, the New York Times has reported, citing Iranian officials. Israeli defence minister Israel Katz said his military will attempt to kill any Iranian leader appointed to succeed Khamenei."

So what is Iran supposed to do re a leader?
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Rise up, I think. Not sure there's any other solution that'll work.
I hope they can find the immense bravery required to do it.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
There would be less need for foreign countries to hold dollars but they'd still need to hold some to pay for other goods and services, so the impact on the US probably wouldn't be catastrophic. Might impact exchange rates but that's probably the biggest impact.
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That’s not even remotely in the right wheelhouse.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
It's possible but the only currencies you could use would be what are known as 'fiat' currencies backed by major developed nations. That would be Euros or Chinese Yuan, possibly Sterling. There was an agreement between the US & OPEC some years ago that their oil would be traded in dollars, so that would have to be broken.

There would be less need for foreign countries to hold dollars but they'd still need to hold some to pay for other goods and services, so the impact on the US probably wouldn't be catastrophic. Might impact exchange rates but that's probably the biggest impact.
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Pretty sure if Oil stopped being bought and sold in dollars it would be devastating for the Yanks, it ensures there’s always a demand for dollars which allows them to finance their enormous debt.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Pretty sure if Oil stopped being bought and sold in dollars it would be devastating for the Yanks, it ensures there’s always a demand for dollars which allows them to finance their enormous debt.
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It would collapse their economy. The only reason they can borrow as much as they do at such low rates is because of the demand for the dollar. It would genuinely be the end of the US as the world’s superpower. It’s also why any leader that tries it gets invaded.
 
bluethrunthru said:
www.thedailybeast.com

Trump Caught in Frantic Scramble to Replenish Iran Weapons

Pentagon insiders have contradicted Donald Trump’s claim that the U.S. has an “unlimited” supply to fight Iran.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: Defense executives plan to meet at White House as strikes on Iran diminish stockpiles

Companies including Lockheed Martin and Raytheon parent RTX have been invited.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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We know that Trumps claim is bullshit so it doesn’t really add to the conversation.
 
cucumberman said:
Maybe Israel wants Pahlavi as the leader. Although Trump has indicated that Pahlavi is not capably strong to lead a new Iran regime, there are many exiled Iranians who are pro-Pahlavi and want him the next leader.

If Reza Pahlavi is chosen by vote by majority of Iranians within Iran, then that’s open to their decision. So long as he is not like his father, who established SAVAK with the assistance and training from Mossad and killed the many Ayatollahs before 1979.

Of course Israel had a huge loss when Shah Pahlavi was ousted.
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I would imagine this war is devastating to Pahlavi’s chances of ever being in a position of power in Iran, even as leader of a transitional government which is what he says he wants.

By the end of this war thousands of not tens of thousands of Iranians will be dead, killed by the US and Israel and Pahlavi is basically American, and if he’s put in place it will be because he’s backed by Israel and the US.


The Iranian public may well want change, but they aren’t going to support anyone who is seen as a puppet of the two countries that just bombed the shit out of them. Reza Pahlavi has been trying to convince them he’s not his dad for 30 years and if he got propped up by Trump and Netenyahu that’s exactly what he’d be.
 
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