US & Israel attack Iran

[Kinkybyname]

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

In the movie or the administration?..

I think you know the answer :).

 

[bluethrunthru]

Completely agree, Nuclear is the way forward. Didn't Sunak or one of the other Tory PMs say they had committed to building new ones or did I hallucinate that?

Boris Johnson promised to build 16 Rolls Royce SMR's in about 2020 (of course like everything from him it was bollocks and there was no plan to raise the £200 million needed ) but as far as I am aware they won't even be ready until about 2030 - then you have to decide whether you want one next to your town after all given what we are seeing your town would be a target for any hostile attack

 

[super_city_si]

If they do this they will be right where Iran wants them

Exactly, but the trouble there, is this administration are not a group of thinkers. They just think might is right and if they start taking casualties and looking bad they will not take defeat, they will escalate further and wouldnt put it beyond them to drop the bomb as a final fuck you.
Yes it will irradiate the entire region, fuck up oil supplies and cause a global economic meltdown but they will have won right?

 

[bluejon]

Boris Johnson promised to build 16 Rolls Royce SMR's in about 2020 (of course like everything from him it was bollocks and there was no plan to raise the £200 million needed ) but as far as I am aware they won't even be ready until about 2030 - then you have to decide whether you want one next to your town after all given what we are seeing your town would be a target for any hostile attack

Could we not just build them all on merseyside?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Reports of boots on the ground in Iran not our troops the BBC reporting the ticker disappeared it could be anyone’s shoes/boots on the ground

The G7 urges end to attacks on civilians

 

[BlueRockape]

Exactly, but the trouble there, is this administration are not a group of thinkers. They just think might is right and if they start taking casualties and looking bad they will not take defeat, they will escalate further and wouldnt put it beyond them to drop the bomb as a final fuck you.
Yes it will irradiate the entire region, fuck up oil supplies and cause a global economic meltdown but they will have won right?

Hopefully there will be one left in that administration with the balls to see the **** off

 

[grunge]

Boris Johnson promised to build 16 Rolls Royce SMR's in about 2020 (of course like everything from him it was bollocks and there was no plan to raise the £200 million needed ) but as far as I am aware they won't even be ready until about 2030 - then you have to decide whether you want one next to your town after all given what we are seeing your town would be a target for any hostile attack

1 could power a city the size of Sheffield so its the gamble between modular power at a town/city level vs risk of attack. I guess that would just need some heavy security presence to prevent any terrorist attacks.

In terms of other types of attacks like missiles/drones etc then all power infrastructure will likely be targeted.

I've not looked into them much but could they be built underground to reduce any risks from missiles etc.

Saw a program the other month about the security levels at Sellafield. but then thats the largest plutonium stock pile in the world so needs that level of security.

Edit: Mid 2030's before online.

Rolls-Royce SMR selected to build small modular nuclear reactors

Rolls-Royce SMR selected as preferred bidder to build country’s first small modular reactors.

www.gov.uk

 

[PragueBlue]

Reports of boots on the ground in Iran not our troops the BBC reporting

Surely even Trump can't be dumb enough to send US troops in.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Surely even Trump can't be dumb enough to send US troops in.

There's dumb and dumber.

 

[WT86]

That strait that was open a couple of weeks ago?

Does it matter? The Strait is international waters, Iran has no right to close it.

 

[Elbow beards]

Does it matter? The Strait is international waters, Iran has no right to close it.

But it's not international waters though, it's territorial waters of Iran and Oman.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

1 could power a city the size of Sheffield so its the gamble between modular power at a town/city level vs risk of attack. I guess that would just need some heavy security presence to prevent any terrorist attacks.

In terms of other types of attacks like missiles/drones etc then all power infrastructure will likely be targeted.

I've not looked into them much but could they be built underground to reduce any risks from missiles etc.

Saw a program the other month about the security levels at Sellafield. but then thats the largest plutonium stock pile in the world so needs that level of security.

Edit: Mid 2030's before online.

Rolls-Royce SMR selected to build small modular nuclear reactors

Rolls-Royce SMR selected as preferred bidder to build country’s first small modular reactors.

www.gov.uk

Sheffield?

Have you never seen Threads?

 

[Earlyriser]

I have been watching a series on Netflix called Spycraft. In one of the episodes it details how through cyber warfare a country can be reduced to its knees within about 10 days through cyber attack. You start by attacking its banking system(ATMs) Power Plants and Water Distribution. According to this programme you would have riots on the streets by those 10 days. You might have expected the US to engage in such warfare against Iran without recourse to either bombing or having to put troops on the ground. I would have thought the level of sophistication/robustness within Iranian systems would not present a great challenge.

 

[Blue Mist]

Does it matter? The Strait is international waters, Iran has no right to close it.

Whilst I believe you are wrong in that respect you could flip it.

America has no right, legally or morally to bomb a school and kill over a hundred children.


Or sink a ship, using stealth (a submarine) so giving no warning to the sailors and refusing to then help them as they drowned, a ship that was not armed, was in Indian waters by invitation and absolutely no threatening to anyone.

Let's not split hairs about who legally controls the Straights of Hormuz, let's deal with all the other war crimes first.

 

[moomba]

Does it matter? The Strait is international waters, Iran has no right to close it.

The logic of a war with a key objective of opening a Strait that is only closed because of the war is quite relevant I would have thought. It indicates a lack of planning, and a badly thought out operation that we're all likely to suffer for.

As for rights, theres a long list of countries doing things over the past weeks that they have no right to do.

In an ideal world each would be addressed and those countries and decision makers woukd be held accountable.

 

[WT86]

But it's not international waters though, it's territorial waters of Iran and Oman.

It is, but legally it is still an international strait and they don't have the right to close it to shipping.

Link

 

[moomba]

I have been watching a series on Netflix called Spycraft. In one of the episodes it details how through cyber warfare a country can be reduced to its knees within about 10 days through cyber attack. You start by attacking its banking system(ATMs) Power Plants and Water Distribution. According to this programme you would have riots on the streets by those 10 days. You might have expected the US to engage in such warfare against Iran without recourse to either bombing or having to put troops on the ground. I would have thought the level of sophistication/robustness within Iranian systems would not present a great challenge.

By all accounts Irans cyber capacity is quite advanced. Maybe not in a defensive way, but apparently the potential for Iranian cyber attacks on America is high.

 

[WT86]

The logic of a war with a key objective of opening a Strait that is only closed because of the war is quite relevant I would have thought.

As for rights, theres a long list of countries doing things over the past weeks that they have no right to do.

In an ideal world each would be addressed and those countries and decision makers woukd be held accountable.

The war is a disaster and in a better world Trump and Netanyahu would be called to account for it. That doesn't change the fact Iran doesn't have the right to respond in the way it has. It's not China or New Zealand's fault or the fault of a tanker full of people trying to do their jobs. If they want to retaliate against the belligerents, i.e. the US and Israel, have at it.

 

[moomba]

The war is a disaster and in a better world Trump and Netanyahu would be called to account for it. That doesn't change the fact Iran doesn't have the right to respond in the way it has. It's not China or New Zealand's fault or the fault of a tanker full of people trying to do their jobs. If they want to retaliate against the belligerents, i.e. the US and Israel, have at it.

No its not their fault and I suspect that those countries that dont involve themselves in or support bombing Iran wont have an issue getting ships through.

It will still have an impact on them through increased price of oil but I cant blame Iran for doing what they need to stop the bombing of their country.

Economic measure seems to be the best way.