US & Israel attack Iran

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

If Iran was such a dangerous country why was Olly North selling them weapons?

The fact that the US were using the ILLEGAL sales of weapons to Iran to fund South American terrorists is a minor matter. Surely, if Iran was the enemy, you wouldn't sell them weapons, would you, even Americans aren't that thic.............no surely not.


Iran was a peaceful law abiding country right until they nationalised their oil. At that point America caused an uprising and installed a puppet. A corrupt yes man willing to do America (and the wests) bidding. So why should they trust anybody ? Look what happened to Ukraine when we convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons.

Absolutely.

The 1979 uprising in Iran didn't happen in a vacuum. US hands all over it, so whatever is happening now is a direct result of their own meddling.

Incidentally, Olly North has been on Faux News recently arguing that... wait for it... Iran shouldn't be allowed to have missile.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Absolutely.

The 1979 uprising in iran didn't happen in a vaccum. US hands all over it, so whatever is happening now is a direct result of their own meddling.

I’ve posted previously that 1979 was an inflection point. If the Shah’s successor had been less dogmatic and more outward thinking then Iran would be a truly great power today, and most likely a force for good in the world.

It’s a fascinating country with such an incredible history.

I guess the counterpoint to the above is whether there would have been a revolution at all without the Ayatollah. Probably not tbf.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

“BREAKING : Trump gets massive SHOCK from China, big victory for Pedro Sánchez

Trump "We will cut all the trade ties with Spain because they didn't support me against Iran"

*Exactly after 36 hours*

Xi Jinping "Spain is standing on the right side of the history, it is very reasonable county. China stands with Spain. We will work towards world peace and oppose the law of the jungle"

Trump and Netanyahu will have heartburn seeing this”

 

[fulabeer]

 

[Blue Maverick]

This was when Starmer visited Trump but it holds good today, open our oil fields. It’s not green if we buy the oil from Norway might as well drill our own ? Windmills don’t bother me or solar panels we should try and save the planet.

Doesn’t make it any cheaper though, we have to sell at market prices, plus it will take years to get up and running, we should fast tracking nuclear power plants, my mate in France pays 17cent a kWh no matter the time of day.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

This was when Starmer visited Trump but it holds good today, open our oil fields. It’s not green if we buy the oil from Norway might as well drill our own ? Windmills don’t bother me or solar panels we should try and save the planet.

Hope I’ve got this wrong but are you saying you want to open our oil fields, even though every expert will tell you that it will do absolutely fuck all for us as a country? The same experts who are saying we need to increase renewable capacity and storage to move us away from energy insecurity.

Gas is a little different, but not much. Just hope I’m reading you wrong as then I’d have to question where you get your info.

 

[domalino]

I’ve posted previously that 1979 was an inflection point. If the Shah’s successor had been less dogmatic and more outward thinking then Iran would be a truly great power today, and most likely a force for good in the world.

It’s a fascinating country with such an incredible history.

I guess the counterpoint to the above is whether there would have been a revolution at all without the Ayatollah. Probably not tbf.

I’ve been reading quite a bit on this since January because I really do find Iran’s last 250 years of history to be incredibly fascinating (not that the distant history isn’t)

It seems like revolution would have happened, as the Shah pissed off everyone and life was unbearable for too many people. The Iranian revolution is quite unique in just how varied the groups who rose up against the Shah was. You had the intellectuals and students, the poor and rural, the religious and Marxists and social democrats - but that’s also why Khomeni came to power because he was the person who almost everyone found common ground with as being the head of the Shia meant he was both a religious and nationalist figure that Bazargan and Benasidr who lead the other (prodemocracy) factions could live with and in return he made them the first prime minister and first president before sidelining them.

Some accounts almost make it seem like Khomeni did not expect he’d end up in power. He thought he’d get back into Iran and could make the clergy more prominent but I think his elevation to power was fundamentally opportunist. When the students took the US embassy staff hostage he was completely in the dark, and his initial reaction was to stop it before he found out it was done in his name and he could use it.

Currently reading Shah of Shahs and it’s really good, I’ve bought “mantle of the prophet” which is meant to be incredible but it’s quite dense on first look.

 

[west didsblue]

This was when Starmer visited Trump but it holds good today, open our oil fields. It’s not green if we buy the oil from Norway might as well drill our own ? Windmills don’t bother me or solar panels we should try and save the planet.

Another reminder, not like we need one, that Trump is as thick as pigshit.

 

[WT86]

Iran was a peaceful law abiding country right until they nationalised their oil. At that point America caused an uprising and installed a puppet. A corrupt yes man willing to do America (and the wests) bidding. So why should they trust anybody ? Look what happened to Ukraine when we convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons.

Actually it was the UK/MI6 that conceptualized and demanded the coup because it was a British company, what is now BP, that held Iranian oil rights. The UK had embargoed Iranian oil, worked to undermine the Iranian government over several years and pressured the US into joining them in the coup. It's really strange you glossed over that.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Trumps blockade fails at the first hurdle.

Is this not the one that’s been turned back?

 

[Blue Maverick]

I’d love to know exactly what the usa would do if a ship refused, sink it? I doubt it, Iran on the other hand probably would.

 

[domalino]

Is this not the one that’s been turned back?

 

[GornikDaze]

I’d love to know exactly what the usa would do if a ship refused, sink it? I doubt it, Iran on the other hand probably would.

They’d launch a salvo of cruise missiles, hit schools and hospitals in several allied countries and blame the whole mess on Iran

 

[uwerosler28]

Why are they breaching the blockage and then turning back?, as they actually just taking the piss going back and forth proving then US won't do anything??

 

[Blue Mist]

Actually it was the UK/MI6 that conceptualized and demanded the coup because it was a British company, what is now BP, that held Iranian oil rights. The UK had embargoed Iranian oil, worked to undermine the Iranian government over several years and pressured the US into joining them in the coup. It's really strange you glossed over that.

I dont deny we were involved in the coup, as to who was leading is debatable. Why would america, the CIA be interested in a British problem?

I have never shied away from highlighting British failings, Burma, Israel (the whole of North Africa- Middle East) and many more. Indeed, I was told by a poster on here that if I hated my country so much I should fuck off out of it.

The difference between our two countries is we have left our colonial aggression behind. We dont seek to rule the world by organising illegal arms sales to Iran to fund a right wing guerilla war in Nicaragua.

I could carry on naming the many violent interventions by america since the 60's but I won't.

My point is, everyone seems happy to blame trump when every/most US Presidents have been involved in (illegal) military interventions around the world.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

But why are they like that ?
Why do countries hate the 'West', especially the US?
They hate 'us' because of how we have treated them for many many years. We have lied to them, stole from them, even denied them their own land, (look at the Kurds as the best example)
Finally you are believing American/ Western lies about their nuclear capability.

I've had this argument on here several times already. The simple fact is nobody is an innocent party and they're all acting in their own interests whatever that means. For Iran that means shooting its own people, arming proxies, or even shooting missiles at everybody who surrounds it.

Iran is aligned to the axis of Russia, it arms Russia in its fight on European soil and Russia has even itself threatened to drop a nuclear bomb on London. Did Iran condemn Russia or stop doing what it's doing because of Russia? No, it doubled down and behaves like Russia so that vacates any position on things such as human rights. South Africa brought a vote in the UN against Israel but when it came to Russia it suddenly lost its morals. Weird eh?

Does Iran's actions therefore set the ground well for a friendly relationship with the UK? No, it's the total opposite. Criticism of Israel is absolutely fine and warranted but that doesn't mean that the next step is to support and align ourselves with bloody Iran. This is like saying I don't like what the US does so hey let's join up with ISIS, total lunacy.

So should the UK stand up for what's best for itself, of course it should. Should we retain a friendly relationship with the US versus Iran, of course we should. Should we sell our souls for Trump and Israel's war, absolutely not and that's where the line is drawn and Starmer has taken that exact position.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Vance the pope said, “God is never on the sword of those who wield the sword”

 

[Nethermoor]

I always say Anti China rhetoric has been around for years and the Americans have always tried to push that China are dangerous. I don't think they are, unless you're Taiwan. They just want a big economy and they can do it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I always say Anti China rhetoric has been around for years and the Americans have always tried to push that China are dangerous. I don't think they are, unless you're Taiwan. They just want a big economy and they can do it.

You can only judge a nation by how it acts, and the actions of the US and China the century are wholly different. When was the last time China dropped a bomb on another country?

 

[johnny crossan]

Very bleak from Stewpot & Cambo - UAE set for a massive decline in wealth