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lasereyes said:
Can't pin this one totally on Trump. Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder were both in the sack with Democratic Presidents. Trump brought a special breed of brain-deadedness to the White House but corruption and milking the system are as old as prostitution.
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I will respectfully disagree, and laugh at the false equivalency.
 
lasereyes said:
I've no idea what this diatribe means, but you reveal your rabid bias by the bolded. You do realize that Jack Reed, the Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee has echoed several other Democrats in calling for hearings on what went wrong? And leaders around the globe have roundly condemned the White House's actions? I guess you don't ...

www.politico.eu

Disbelief and betrayal: Europe reacts to Biden’s Afghanistan ‘miscalculation’

‘This does fundamental damage to the political and moral credibility of the West,’ says senior German lawmaker.
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The view is always different from the cheap seats.
 
lasereyes said:
Maybe they were still there because Biden on July 8 said: "the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely". I suggest you read the attached before responding, particularly the Q&A starting "Is the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable".

www.whitehouse.gov

Remarks by President Biden on the Drawdown of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan | The White House

East Room 2:09 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on the status
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov

Biden completely downplayed the risks (ignoring the statements and advice of US Intelligence). Now it has exploded in his face, he claims that chaos was inevitable and was built into his calculus. Breathtaking ineptitude garnished with a labyrinth of mis-truths.

In the face of this, your statement that "Americans still in Afghanistan at this point SHOULD be on their own" is utterly staggering.
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One opinion was the Afghan Army would crumble in fear. Others were that there were enough men (300,000) trained, and equipped, to withstand the Taliban.

Biden went with the consensus view of the experts. 11 days was quicker than they thought. Biden took responsibility for the decision, and continues to do so. That’s Presidential, unlike some.

Always amused that changing conditions, and thus a changing narrative, are derided. Would you prefer delusion and “sticking to your guns” even with a changing fact set? I know that seems strange to ideologues, but it’s where intelligence and analysis intersect in my book.

The final extraction has been chaotic, to say the least, but that is a function of Afghans trying to flee using airlift designed to repatriate foreigners. That has caused a logjam at the airport, making it even harder to get Americans out.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Have you been asked to go over there, Cap? How do you or your co-workers feel about that? And how does the union feel?
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The CRAF mission isn’t to Afghanistan, it is to and from staging locations. Can’t talk about it, but it’s already underway. Flights went out today.

As I’m still on the 737 until I go to 787 school in October, my fleet is not part of the mission. I did Mil Charter when I was flying the 747 and found it very rewarding work. I would have no reservations signing up for it again once on the 787. It is voluntary.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The CRAF mission isn’t to Afghanistan, it is to and from staging locations. Can’t talk about it, but it’s already underway. Flights went out today.

As I’m still on the 737 until I go to 787 school in October, my fleet is not part of the mission. I did Mil Charter when I was flying the 747 and found it very rewarding work. I would have no reservations signing up for it again once on the 787. It is voluntary.
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Not to prompt any further discussion on it but it looks like a lot of the staging has taken place into Qatar/Dubai as the traffic there has been insane over the last week. The USAF presence in Qatar must be an incredible sight at the moment, something like 20+ C-17's, C-130's, AWACS and tankers.

Biden has taken a lot of flak over the last few weeks but certainly it's ramped up quite considerably over the last 5 days. This must all go down as one of the most expansive airlifts in history.

One thing I will ask in all of this is where are the Arab nations like Saudi Arabia? You'd think that resettlement in other Arab nations would become a priority (given all Muslims must help other Muslims in need) yet there's been absolutely nothing from them.
 
inbetween said:
Not to prompt any further discussion on it but it looks like a lot of the staging has taken place into Qatar/Dubai as the traffic there has been insane over the last week. The USAF presence in Qatar must be an incredible sight at the moment, something like 20+ C-17's, C-130's, AWACS and tankers.

Biden has taken a lot of flak over the last few weeks but certainly it's ramped up quite considerably over the last 5 days. This must all go down as one of the most expansive airlifts in history.

One thing I will ask in all of this is where are the Arab nations like Saudi Arabia? You'd think that resettlement in other Arab nations would become a priority (given all Muslims must help other Muslims in need) yet there's been absolutely nothing from them.
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Afghans aren't Arabs. There are some minorities that claim lineage from Arab settlers who came on missions to spread islam centuries ago, but they don't speak Arabic.

They don't really have a culture that encourages non-economic immigration from other cultures. Look at how the gulf states treat their migrant workers compared to the native population.
Why would Afghans want to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens?
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Afghans aren't Arabs. There are some minorities that claim lineage from Arab settlers who came on missions to spread islam centuries ago, but they don't speak Arabic.

They don't really have a culture that encourages non-economic immigration from other cultures. Look at how the gulf states treat their migrant workers compared to the native population.
Why would Afghans want to live as 2nd or 3rd class citizens?
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I'm not saying that they should go there because they are or aren't Arabs but Saudi Arabia and the other gulf nations are rich and able to help. I was merely talking in terms of helping your neighbours and helping those of your religion. Surely someone from Afghanistan has far more in common in culture with Saudi Arabia than the UK or US of all places?

I'd imagine that settlement in the UK is extremely difficult for someone from Afghanistan, obviously it's better than staying in a war zone but it must be a shock.
 
inbetween said:
I'm not saying that they should go there because they are or aren't Arabs but Saudi Arabia and the other gulf nations are rich and able to help. I was merely talking in terms of helping your neighbours and helping those of your religion. Surely someone from Afghanistan has far more in common in culture with Saudi Arabia than the UK or US of all places?

I'd imagine that settlement in the UK is extremely difficult for someone from Afghanistan, obviously it's better than staying in a war zone but it must be a shock.
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If they want to live somewhere with similar rules to which the Taliban will be imposing then I guess Saudi is the place to go.
 
SWP's back said:
Lol

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Hilarious.

I heard recently somewhere on TV - can't recall where - a succinct, accurate, one-sentence description of the US Republican Party:
"The Republican Party is the party of mean people."
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How ironic. The God-fearing, self-righteous, holier-than-thou Right - actually don't give a fuck about other people.

It's all me! Me! Me! My rights - e.g., not to wear masks, or to carry weapons whose sole purpose is to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible into public settings. My money - in that helping people in need with government dollars is, variously, not the job of government, or charity will provide and so on.
 
Rudi - "I am a functioning......I function better than 90-95% of people" - wonder why Trump fired him lol

 
Not politics as such but Sirhan Sirhan being considered for parole and Robert Kennedy's family in support of it. Sirhan himself says he won't be getting involved in Middle East extremism again as he has lost touch with it and he is old and the family seemingly OK with it. Im not sure as his act was a generation changer, but he has been inside for 50 odd years.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Not politics as such but Sirhan Sirhan being considered for parole and Robert Kennedy's family in support of it. Sirhan himself says he won't be getting involved in Middle East extremism again as he has lost touch with it and he is old and the family seemingly OK with it. Im not sure as his act was a generation changer, but he has been inside for 50 odd years.
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It was political discourse by Robert Kennedy in relation to policy in Israel that he says led him to the conclusion he should eliminate him and others in his cohort.

Its the ultimate sacrifice that some of his children are now saying its time for him to be let out of jail and notwithstanding the public view on releasing those that kill others in peacetime it should be left to the family to decide.

Personally irrespective of his age and the change on the death penalty based partly on where the assassination took place my view is he should leave jail in a coffin but if his family are happy for him to be released unless the US authorities have credible evidence he still has links to organisation's that have terrorism at their centre piece with a history of carrying out attacks on US soil or any country for that matter then let him go.
 
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