US Politics Thread

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If and thankfully I was not born in your capitalist hell hole of a country the only person i would consider voting for is Bernie Sanders, at least he is slightly left wing.

For all its many and manifest faults I can think of very few countries on earth thst I’d rather live than the United States. It’s a brilliant country.

 

[Dubai Blue]

This debate is going round and round in circles, but surely the crucial point is that Trump wasn't booted from Twitter for his political views, he was booted for using their platform to incite violence. Violence that ultimately resulted in several deaths.

That isn't political censorship (which I would always disagree with). It's a perfectly rational and justified response to someone behaving like a complete dickhead on their "property".

 

[buckshot]

God knows I've voiced my frustration with Trumps followers over the years but I never hated them. In the back of my mind I always kind of felt sorry for them. These are people I know, these people aren't terrorists. There were certainly some actual terrorists among them but if it weren't for Trump none of this would have happened.

Here is an example of what he's done

 

[buckshot]

This debate is going round and round in circles, but surely the crucial point is that Trump wasn't booted from Twitter for his political views, he was booted for using their platform to incite violence. Violence that ultimately resulted in several deaths.

That isn't political censorship (which I would always disagree with). It's a perfectly rational and justified response to someone behaving like a complete dickhead on their "property".

Follow the money. Twitter is a private company that can do what it wants. Trump just alienated the entire planet so he is toxic. They publicity they got for dropping him more than made up for the revenue he's going to generate six months from now.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

The person with the nuclear codes has been deemed too dangerous to have a twitter account.

 

[Rascal]

Your arguments are merely political ideology on the structure of the economic system, not necessarily the structure of the political framework.

How one organizes their economic system is a choice, and America has chosen. So far, as a fledgling experiment of only a couple of centuries, I think most people would say it has worked quite well, even if it has violent revulsion sat times to help “reset” course.

Indeed, it is telling that the manner in which the US conducts its business, and politics, is often considered the envy of the world.

Could there be greater worker enfranchisement? Absolutely!
Will it happen? Absolutely not! (Well, maybe not absolutely not, but, at best, we might see some incremental worker gains over the next 4 years).

I think everyone would enjoy a worker utopia...more remuneration for less work through greater efficiency...but to date it appears such a utopia is unavailable anywhere else (except in some theoretical social science books, perhaps), such that we could all admire and copy it, is there?

If you know somewhere your utopia exists, could you tell us, explain its political and economic structure and illuminate the path the US might need to follow to such a Goldilocks society?

And, the corporate ownership of certain speech outlets is, to be patently obvious, corporate, and does nothing to nullify the First Amendment speech afforded ALL citizens of the US.

BTW, it’s no different than the censorship we ALL face on this Forum. Should Ric NOT have any guardrails? Should I be able to not only think it, but actually call all and sundry a **** on “his” Forum? How about speech which might be considered free in America but restricted in Britain?

Cheers.

I believe this reply was aimed at me, if not i apologise, but if so thank you for a thoughtful and eloquent response.

You do appear resigned to your fate, even saddened by the course your nation has taken. Perhaps you need a Bernie Sanders or a Richard Wolff type figure in your political sphere. My country is no haven of peace and tranquility, it is a nation that is attempting to mirror yours albeit it without the constitutional restraints that you enjoy. I always think of America as a young country and i do not mean this in a horrible or nasty way, but it is a country that has a lot of growing up to do. It is like a petulant teenager at a boarding school. It wants to do certain things but is bound by the rules set down in history and meekly accepts them as unchangeable.

Perhaps you do need a revolution, one that takes power away from your elites and hands it to the proletariat who can then rewrite your constitution or even abolish it. I am no expert but what relevance does a document from the 1780s have to todays world.

 

[west didsblue]

Not making any exuses for what happened in Washington DC the other day but more people died during the BLM protests. BLM and Antifa leaders haven’t had their Twitter accounts banned.
These ‘cultural wars’ are going to continue. It’s dangerous if companies like Twitter, FB and YouTube have a bias and are silencing a certain side of the political spectrum. It is happening (even ignoring Trump’s ban).
Tim Pool is knowledgeable on the subject and worth a listen to if you don’t believe me.

Who are the leaders of BLM and Antifa and how do you know they haven’t been banned from Twitter?

 

[Dicko69]

I believe this reply was aimed at me, if not i apologise, but if so thank you for a thoughtful and eloquent response.

You do appear resigned to your fate, even saddened by the course your nation has taken. Perhaps you need a Bernie Sanders or a Richard Wolff type figure in your political sphere. My country is no haven of peace and tranquility, it is a nation that is attempting to mirror yours albeit it without the constitutional restraints that you enjoy. I always think of America as a young country and i do not mean this in a horrible or nasty way, but it is a country that has a lot of growing up to do. It is like a petulant teenager at a boarding school. It wants to do certain things but is bound by the rules set down in history and meekly accepts them as unchangeable.

Perhaps you do need a revolution, one that takes power away from your elites and hands it to the proletariat who can then rewrite your constitution or even abolish it. I am no expert but what relevance does a document from the 1780s have to todays world.

Magna carta says hello

 

[Rascal]

For all its many and manifest faults I can think of very few countries on earth thst I’d rather live than the United States. It’s a brilliant country.

Would you get gig's there Michael?

It is a country that is way down my list of countries i would like to live in, the people are fine (love the southern girls accents) , the politics is not to my liking.

 

[Rascal]

Magna carta says hello

A charter enshrining the rights of Barons to exploit serfs is hardly noteworthy.