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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The 22nd amendment precludes a president from serving no more than 2 terms, consecutively or not. Franklin D. Roosevelt served more than 2 terms because he'd just been elected when the 22nd Amendment was ratified was given Grandfather rights to enable him to see out his term.
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Won't stop him trying though.
 
buckshot said:
It’s only 5:00pm and:

The scum lost
Arsenal lost
MqQarthy has been ousted
The former guy has been hit with a gag order

If the Phillies win tonight this might be the most epic day ever (until tomorrow tops it when City win)
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Any plans to kidnap, torture and murder the new NYC subway robot police officer yet?
 
America is so ultra-polarized right now that virtually nothing will shape the political landscape. And yet...

Come November when the current continuing resolution expires, it's virtually certain that the Republicans will be incapable of avoiding a government shutdown. As a result, numerous Americans will find themselves either seriously inconvenienced, or worse, without pay. Surely some subset of those Americans are currently staunch Republicans. As the hypothetical government shutdown drags on, it's got to be the case that some of those staunch Republicans become ever less enamored with their party.

TL/DR - Government shutdown coming in November. The fallout - so far as I can tell- can only hurt Republicans.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
America is so ultra-polarized right now that virtually nothing will shape the political landscape. And yet...

Come November when the current continuing resolution expires, it's virtually certain that the Republicans will be incapable of avoiding a government shutdown. As a result, numerous Americans will find themselves either seriously inconvenienced, or worse, without pay. Surely some subset of those Americans are currently staunch Republicans. As the hypothetical government shutdown drags on, it's got to be the case that some of those staunch Republicans become ever less enamored with their party.

TL/DR - Government shutdown coming in November. The fallout - so far as I can tell- can only hurt Republicans.
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It's impossible to read into what the GOPers will do. Gaetz is taking a lot of flack for this attention grab. There will be further fall out as they try to find a new leader. Not sure they can do it as the lunnies will make the same demands. All this makes the Republican party look bad, at some point you would expect them to start making more popular decisions, like not pushing a shutdown. But from this point its hard to see where that comes from.

PS Another of Rudy's lawyers is ditching him today. All this noise from congress is a distraction from the court drama but it won't stop the outcome. Trumps legal problems still trending downward.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
It's impossible to read into what the GOPers will do. Gaetz is taking a lot of flack for this attention grab. There will be further fall out as they try to find a new leader. Not sure they can do it as the lunnies will make the same demands. All this makes the Republican party look bad, at some point you would expect them to start making more popular decisions, like not pushing a shutdown. But from this point its hard to see where that comes from.

PS Another of Rudy's lawyers is ditching him today. All this noise from congress is a distraction from the court drama but it won't stop the outcome. Trumps legal problems still trending downward.
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The problem with the GOP is that a sizable amount of their electorate want government to stop working. These people probably have little to no reliance on the federal government personally(or they do and stupidly don’t know it)and probably think nothing good ever comes out of DC.

Add to the fact that you have a conservative media environment that not only enables this electorates crazy machinations but they profit from this electorate’s grievances even if their elected representatives make don’t make any substantial gains(through policy or elections)as long as the right people(own the libs)are pissed off. So between a media environment that caters to these chaos agents and elected chaos agents who have every incentive to be just that it’s what some might dub “the perfect storm”.

The GOP is in a pickle and it’s hilarious watching “in the know” political actors and commentators completely blindsided by all this when all this has been very predictable.
 
BayernMan said:
The problem with the GOP is that a sizable amount of their electorate want government to stop working. These people probably have little to no reliance on the federal government personally(or they do and stupidly don’t know it)and probably think nothing good ever comes out of DC.

Add to the fact that you have a conservative media environment that not only enables this electorates crazy machinations but they profit from this electorate’s grievances even if their elected representatives make don’t make any substantial gains(through policy or elections)as long as the right people(own the libs)are pissed off. So between a media environment that caters to these chaos agents and elected chaos agents who have every incentive to be just that it’s what some might dub “the perfect storm”.

The GOP is in a pickle and it’s hilarious watching “in the know” political actors and commentators completely blindsided by all this when all this has been very predictable.
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Gaetz and Co have had this card to play and they have been itching to play it. But they don't have any winning strategy beyond short term chaos and getting themselves on fox.

The Disaster capitalists love it. Shut it all down and stop paying tax is pretty much all they see. Putin backs this approach of course because it fails to factor in the need for the government to run the military. Hence the talking points getting all twisted up with anti Ukraine rhetoric.

But there is a side of the GOP who are far more traditionally patriotic and support the military and the war in Ukraine, among other more blatantly corrupt reasons, and don't want to shut down. They profit from being in power, not from chaos. There's more of these and this was McCarthys base in congress but the alt right media is not with them. How can anyone bring this together?
 


Edit: long story short McCarthy thought he could lie to everyone and not get caught until he did….
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
America is so ultra-polarized right now that virtually nothing will shape the political landscape. And yet...

Come November when the current continuing resolution expires, it's virtually certain that the Republicans will be incapable of avoiding a government shutdown. As a result, numerous Americans will find themselves either seriously inconvenienced, or worse, without pay. Surely some subset of those Americans are currently staunch Republicans. As the hypothetical government shutdown drags on, it's got to be the case that some of those staunch Republicans become ever less enamored with their party.

TL/DR - Government shutdown coming in November. The fallout - so far as I can tell- can only hurt Republicans.
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They'll just blame the Democrats and Ukraine Ad Nauseum
 
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Not sure if I should give him a thumbs up or down.

Kinda strange for me because I always know which side of the fence I'm on!
 
I don’t want to stretch this too far, but I just spent three days at a conference in Denver with a wide variety of folks from all over the nation, many of whom are red. I was surprised at the number who were frustrated and embarrassed by this recent GOP dysfunction. They’ll be fully cognitively-dissonant when it comes to Trump, but when it comes to GOP congresspeople, they think of them as incompetent Trump coattail hangers-on who are ineffectual and objectionable. Gaetz, and Boebert in particular, have embarrassed them a LOT. I am wondering if they might be more willing to entertain less MAGA-y elected officials to represent them — those with concrete plans to make things better — as long as they get Trump too. So maybe not much of a shift, and still cultish, but a different attitude about those they feel are only levering Trumps popularity and not working for them.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t want to stretch this too far, but I just spent three days at a conference in Denver with a wide variety of folks from all over the nation, many of whom are red. I was surprised at the number who were frustrated and embarrassed by this recent GOP dysfunction. They’ll be fully cognitively-dissonant when it comes to Trump, but when it comes to GOP congresspeople, they think of them as incompetent Trump coattail hangers-on who are ineffectual and objectionable. Gaetz, and Boebert in particular, have embarrassed them a LOT. I am wondering if they might be more willing to entertain less MAGA-y elected officials to represent them — those with concrete plans to make things better — as long as they get Trump too. So maybe not much of a shift, and still cultish, but a different attitude about those they feel are only levering Trumps popularity and not working for them.
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I am convinced a lot of the political upper class(especially the GOP)have no idea what is going on. But in my opinion many are deliberately ignorant of what’s going on because the truth is too bleak. I think a bit of it has to do with age since the leadership is full of fossils from a bygone era. Many in the GOP have already been swept away with the changing political winds but it will take a little longer for the Democrats.
 
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