US Politics Thread

I've posted previously about why I believe that misinformation is the single biggest threat to Democracy.

To help me explain why this is so, I offer, for example, the following video in which Trump rally attendees are interviewed and are asked what they think about the 1/6 investigation:


Interviewees exhibit a complete disconnect from reality. Numerous interviewees don't even know the significance of 1/6. Others spout conspiracy theories as to what transpired - for example, that 1/6 was orchestrated by Nancy Pelosi in an attempt to discredited Republicans.

Several of the interviewees agreed to view footage of the proceedings. A clip was shown in which Barr (the Attorney General under Trump at the time of 1/6) stated that the claims of election fraud were bullshit; another clip showed Ivanka Trump saying that she believed Barr.

One of those who agreed to view the clips, shook his head and obviously went into a deep think. At the end of his thought process he decided that something was very wrong. He concluded that the clips shown to him were fake or that the footage was taken out of context.

A second individual concluded that the Ivanka clip was a fabrication. He thought that an Ivanka clone was filmed; obviously, he reasoned, the real Ivanka would never say such things.

Yet another individual who viewed the clips seemed to correctly process the information presented to him. But when asked whether or not he was going to attend the pro-Trump rally, he said absolutely that he was going to. Apparently he simply brushed the footage off as irrelevant.
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Watching the above video helped me understand why disinformation needs to be regulated.

Witness attendees of Trump's rallies. These people aren't rational. They actually believe the lies they have been told - to the extent that they're largely beyond persuasion. The repeated lies and echo-chamber reinforcement have turned them into a secular cult. It would take an intervention followed by intense deprogramming to possibly return such people to rationality.

Irrational beliefs lead to irrational behavior. And irrational behavior may lead to extremely poor decisions that put the very lives of the mislead in great danger; or, worse still, that pose a threat to society at large.

Roughly 1/2 the USA is under the sway of irrationality. These such, acting collectively, are well-capable of voting into office frauds and demagogues who would do society great harm simply to advance self gain. And that is why disinformation needs to be regulated by the government.


Nothing can be done because of the 1st Amendment.

Fox News, Murdoch and now sites on the internet have hid behind it/used to it to brainwash millions.

However it takes a particularly stupid person not to question obvious lies and therefore America needs to look at its school system; millions upon millions of idiots spewed out of it.
 
SCOTUS has ruled 6-3 that a teacher (public servant) has First Amendment rights to pray in a public place.

The dissent notes it overrides previous consistent protection of the students from teacher/peer pressure.

I'm waiting for the first anti-gay prayer session to break out.

I'm waiting for the first muslim teacher to do it
 
Nothing can be done because of the 1st Amendment.

Fox News, Murdoch and now sites on the internet have hid behind it/used to it to brainwash millions.

However it takes a particularly stupid person not to question obvious lies and therefore America needs to look at its school system; millions upon millions of idiots spewed out of it.
The state of the American school system is very much by design, and the republicans want to eviscerate it further to ensure an even more ignorant, malleable citizenry.
 
The irony here is that those who praise this decision are likely to be the same who castigated Colin Kapernick for kneeling in protest during the national anthem
The irony with these kinds of statements is that the inverse is also true. Many of those who supported his firing for bringing his religion to the field were likely the same people who praised Kaepernick as a Martyr. Again, that there can be hypocrisy both ways is not News..
I actually have no problem with him doing this wherever and whenever -- on his own, even at the 50 yard-line after games. Once the student-athletes were "invited" to do likewise by him, as the facts of the case are quite clear about, that's where the line is crossed for the reasons Sotomayor states succinctly in her dissent.
Look at that, we agree. I t too think Sotomayor was right. One, this guy was purposely testing the limits of religious protections.

2. He clearly invited the team to join.

3. There is evidence a few athletes felt pressured to join in or lose playing time.

On the facts, this seemed incorrectly decided. The case shouldn't have turned on his personal freedom to exercise his religion, but rather, whether it seemed the school was promoting that religion. . And from the evidence, it was easy to conclude that it seemed (as he represents the school) like the school was doing just that.
 
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Can I ask another open question to yourself and everyone else willing to engage it (not my question but one I've seen of late)?

In the States (I don't know if it's the same here), if a woman is pregnant by a matter of early weeks and she is, unfortunately murdered, the perpetrator is charged with a 'double homicide'?

Why would that be the case if a foetus is 'not viable' before a certain age of weeks?

The last time I checked (which was not recently) more than half of the various states in the USA had laws that make it a crime to cause harm to a fetus. Thus, someone who attacks a pregnant woman and kills the fetus she is carrying can face murder or manslaughter charges. In the UK, ‘child destruction’ is the name given to the offence of killing an unborn but viable fetus.

Here, as you have pointed out, there are two ethical issues that arise: 1) It seems contradictory that a woman can legally terminate a pregnancy through abortion while a third party might face legal charges if they kill the fetus; 2) Suppose the pregnant woman is a drug addict or an alcoholic. Should she also face some kind of charge if her fetus suffers from the effects of this?

Unfortunately, I cannot recall any discussions of abortion in the specialist literature that I have looked at (books by Peter Singer, Ronald Dworkin, Mary Warnock and Carol Sanger) that delve into the above questions, though I gather that some commentators have attempted to frame abortion within the context of justifiable homicide, for example, in cases of ectopic pregnancy, or perhaps if the pregnancy is a consequence of rape or incest.

On the other hand, in the 1980’s and 90’s, a fundamentalist anti-abortion Christian organisation called the Army of God were responsible for 8 murders, 41 explosions and 173 arson attacks at abortion clinics. According to Army of God beliefs, abortion is murder and the killing of hundreds of thousands of defenceless babies in those clinics is nothing less than a government approved ‘Holocaust.’ The doctors who work in them were viewed as committing crimes against humanity. Therefore murdering them was perceived as an act of justifiable homicide.

Here's Richard Dawkins interviewing one of them:



What I do remember is that ethicists have often taken issue with where dividing lines are drawn between when abortion is morally acceptable/legal and when it is not.

To take one example (birth rather than viability as the demarcation point), Colin McGinn has observed that if a fetus was scheduled to be aborted on a certain day but then the mother gave birth prematurely before her appointment, that it seems strange to think that it is now suddenly wrong and illegal to do what was previously seen as acceptable, simply because the baby has left the womb.

From this, he thinks we can conclude that what matters as far as the abortion issue is concerned is not where the fetus is but what it is: its stage of biological and mental development, or the potential it has to mature and develop into a human being.

Just on the issue of late terminations (which got mentioned upthread), these articles are both worth a look:



Judith Jarvis Thomson also once wrote an influential article on abortion featuring some thought experiments that are often debated in ethics classes:


Carol Sanger's book About Abortion: Terminating Pregnancy in Twenty-First Century America is the best book I have read on this subject. I suspect that a revised edition may now be warranted in the light of the Supreme Court decision.

Hope this helps.

I realize that I haven't answered your question but the above links and references should give you plenty to reflect on.
 

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